EDIT 2: This statement as written is not true, and the source does not mention anything about pollution in general. However, if I instead said that "millions of people die from air particulate pollution," then I believe that statement would be true.

[–] DPUGT2@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then you don't have a point at all. All human cultures and ideologies are, at their fundamental core, polluters. Capitalism holds no special place on that spectrum. Millions dies from pollution everywhere.

[–] ziproot@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There were two economic systems in countries that industrialized: soviet-type socialism (where the means of production are controlled by a state) and capitalism (where the means of production are controlled by corporations). Of the countries with soviet-type socialism, none of them are democratic. This effectively means that none of the countries that industrialized had a means of production controlled by the community. While all human cultures and ideologies could very well have pollution at their core, we do not know this is true. I think the problem is that the rich can deal with pollution and the poor cannot. Since the poor outnumber the rich, with the poor actually in control, maybe pollution can be solved. This might not be the case, but we will not know unless we try.

[–] DPUGT2@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While all human cultures and ideologies could very well have pollution at their core

Go look up the word "midden" and get back to me.

[–] ziproot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, if you are looking at all forms of pollution, you are indeed correct, as all life forms have to excrete waste. An extreme example of this is cyanobacteria likely causing a mass extinction.

However, I was referring to air particulate pollution, as shown by my source. I apologize for not being clearer. I have updated the original comment, but yes, you are indeed correct that all human cultures and ideologies have pollution at their core if you are looking at pollution in general.

[–] DPUGT2@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not sure the distinction is worth mentioning. If you want to limit to air pollution, that only absolves those cultures which haven't reached an industrial age. Any that has, pollutes the air.

Maybe it's time to switch back to your No-True-Communism fallacy or something.

[–] ziproot@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Renewable energy has little to no pollution. EDIT: Excluding biofuel which is not a solution to pollution or climate change.