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"Systematic reviews of controlled clinical studies of treatments used by chiropractors have found no evidence that chiropractic manipulation is effective, with the possible exception of treatment for back pain.[8] A 2011 critical evaluation of 45 systematic reviews concluded that the data included in the study "fail[ed] to demonstrate convincingly that spinal manipulation is an effective intervention for any condition."[10] Spinal manipulation may be cost-effective for sub-acute or chronic low back pain, but the results for acute low back pain were insufficient.[11] No compelling evidence exists to indicate that maintenance chiropractic care adequately prevents symptoms or diseases.[12]"

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 134 points 11 months ago (3 children)

its not just not helpful, it can be deadly/dangerous.

strokes are triggered by these idiots.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 86 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Strokes, but also broken necks.

And some of these quacks do "adjustments" on children and infants.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Saw that on episode of Bullshit with Penn and Teller. Anyone who would do that to a baby should be imprisoned for life.

[–] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 11 months ago

Yeah, the last time I went to a chiropractor for back pain, they also "corrected" my neck which in the past felt good but this time it just immediately pulled a muscle in my neck and left me in pain and barely able to turn my head for weeks.

It's better now, but I'll never go back to a chiropractor again because of the risk of making things worse for essentially no benefit.

[–] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Also animals, I saw a video of someone doing it to a pit bull and after he cracked the dogs neck the pit gave him the "I'm going to rip your fucking throat out" look.

It's straight up animal abuse.

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.str.32.5.1054

Thank your pointing this out. It's not just any stroke too, it's primarily vertebral/basilar artery distribution strokes. Those supply the brain stem which includes such necessary functions as control of breathing and consciousness. You don't want a stroke anywhere, but particularly not there.

Some chiropractors might swing back that, you've only showed correlation not causation. Well, when we have no clear evidence of chiropractic neck manipulation being helpful for anything, and we have a likely very dangerous correlation, the clinical parsimony is just not there. So no one is going to run that study (give a large amount of people neck manipulation, a large amount of people no neck manipulation, and compare rates of stroke that occur afterwards), it would be very unethical, no institutional review board would ever approve that study as ethical to perform.

And it makes a lot of sense too, the vertebral artery is encased in the neck vertebrae, so violent movements of the neck vertebrae can stretch and tear those arteries. Those tears, called a dissection, can sometimes obstruct blood flow all on their own, but more often create a spot for blood clots to form that then move onward into the brain and basilar artery (since there's turbulent blood flow and a defect in the smooth artery wall that normally prevents your blood from clotting). So please, no violent neck movements for any reason, chiropractor or otherwise.

[–] deergon@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

This. My friend had a triple stroke shortly after having neck manipulation done by a standin for his usual chiropractor. Luckily he survived, but it has very much opened my eyes to how dangerous it can be.

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I was coming in here to say similar.

Chiropractors aren't just not effective, they are fucking dangerous.