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[–] Thetimefarm@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So poor people shouldn't have kids, got it.

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eugenics with extra steps, sounds peachy

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm never having kids, by choice. How is that eugenics?

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When you start advocating for a particular group to not reproduce, what else would you call it? You can choose that for yourself but if you suggest it for anyone else you're gonna need to choose your words very carefully to avoid coming across like a super racist from the 19th century.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be clear, I'm anti-capitalist and not blaming poor people for anything, nor suggesting they should not have any children. But I stand by my position and wording.

Don't have more children (or even pets) than one can support. It's objectively cruel.

Would I prefer a world where there wasn't such dramatic (or ideally any) inequality? Definitely. But even in a world where every single parent could support 6 kids I'd be against people having 17.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 3 points 1 year ago

You seem to think that the only way for people with children to to be poor is if they are poor and have children. You know you can have children, loose your job, and become poor, right? I'm telling you, you are out of touch and that is clearly evident in you're inability to come up with non circumstancial examples.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm just saying good parents consider what is best for their children before having them. Having 6 when you can only reasonable support 3 is a 'poor' choice. Bad parents, on the other hand, have children to benefit themselves rather than the child.

And anyway, statistically, lower income people have more children per person so no one is preventing poor people from having kids. I'm just questioning if that is what is best for those children, because I care about children's suffering.

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In my experience, bad parents are those that think people act with a single motive - they tend to label kids as manipulative. People can have kids for a selfish reason and still put their interests first.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 1 points 1 year ago

Are you quoting facts from Idiocracy right now????

https://www.businessinsider.com/pronatalism-elon-musk-population-tech-2022-11

Are you sure that, since there are proportionally more poor people in the world, you aren't just forming an availability bias?

And besides that, poor people are more likely to get pregnant from rape without the ability to terminate the pregnancy. If that is not enough they also have less access to reproductive healthcare, reproductive education, abortions, birth control, and prophylactics.

You've mentioned you're a anti-capital, yet you see impoverished children as the fault of the parents who have them as opposed to the system that creates poverty in the first place. Capitalism demands cheap labor which means there are a ton of incentives built into it for procreation. Families don't just choose to be poor.

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

As if it's never the case that people have children in the expectation that their current financial situation won't suddenly take a turn for the worse; as if what made perfect sense 10 years ago doesn't make sense now when you have a 10-year-old kid to support.

This idea of yours, that people should somehow be able to magically predict their financial future is pure bullshit.