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[–] osarusan@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I've explained the solution to the problem, I've explained why holding your vote hostage doesn't work the way you think it does, and I've explained how you're being duped into supporting the end result you claim not to want above all else.

I don't see any point in continuing this. You didn't seem to read or acknowledge what I wrote, and just went and repeated the same thing all over again. It's like you've put yourself up on a pedestal of moralizing ignorance and just plug your ears to everything that threatens to knock you off. I can't force you to understand something if you don't want to understand it, and I don't feel like repeating myself over and over again when it won't be acknowledged or read.

You'll probably reply with some more insults and straw man arguments like you've been doing, but some other user whose mind isn't closed with arrogance and whose thinking is not blinded by their own privilege might see then and realize just how blind, foolish, and self-defeating this purity position is.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Okay, maybe I'm fucking stupid. I must be!

Your solution is:

March, sign petitions, be an activist. Write emails to Biden. Write to your senators and House representatives. Be active in politicians beyond pressing a button once every four years. That’s how you make a differenc

I do not see any explanation for why Biden should give a shit about blue-no-matter-who voters who march or protest or write petitions or send letters or emails or call or anything. I don't get it. Why should their campaign care what a whiney blue-no-matter-who voters says? They're guaranteed to vote for Biden, there's no reason to bother listening to them at all! What leverage do they have?

What is the mechanism of action that makes marching or petititons or emails work when your vote is already locked in?

You have not explained this, so stop insulting me and stop talking down to me and stop telling me I'm a dupe and blind and foolish and self-defeating and simply explain why he should give a shit about you.

Me? I'll march and sign petitions and be an activist and write emails and letters saying I won't vote without a ceasefire. That actually puts pressure on the campaign, it shows them that they need to listen to me because if they don't then they are going to lose.

You? You'll march and sign petitions and be an activist and write emails and letters saying "pwetty pwetty pwees stawp the genowcide uwu" and they could laugh in your face because you'll still vote for them no matter what they do to you. You. Are. Irrelevant. You have no leverage, you can't hold his feet to the fire, you can't apply pressure, you are nothing. You might as well be a dog that can vote.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And there it is, just as predicted.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You insulted me first, so yeah, I'm going to hit back. Go ahead, read up the comment chain. You attacked me, you got nasty with me, and then I responded in kind. I'm not going to just let you punch down on me and take it. Go ahead, be smug that you provoked me.

You're dodging because you don't have an answer. Maybe you didn't read it the first time! I'll post it again for you:

What is the mechanism of action that makes marching or petititons or emails work when your vote is already locked in?

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pointing out that your position is terrible is not an insult to you. Just another one of your dishonest arguments, like how you misrepresent every thing that is said to you instead of engaging with people honestly.

At this point, I can't see you as anything other a troll. Talking to you is like talking to a religious fundamentalist. You have no respect for the other party you're speaking to and only speak down from a position of moralistic arrogance.

And if you're not a troll, then jesus... be better than this.