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[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t get why these people say that both parties are fascist because I entirely agree that while Dems in the long term become similar, just with different values, it’s unclear to me how that muddies the political waters.

What people seem to be saying is that even if I vote left every time and even if leftist ideas take more hold, the right will still exist and both parties will swing us right regardless.

I fundamentally disagree. The very very first thing we have to do is make the current state of the right deeply unpopular. What I want to hear is far more Dems saying “this party has gone too far left, I’m republican now” and purifying the left by leaving. I want Dems and republicans competing in that way where conservative Dems slowly bleed to the other side. And then we vote further and further left until we become sensible.

Do I see that happening? Absolutely. But this next point is critical. I realize the meme about every election being critical. But this one truly is. America decides in a year: Fascism or no?

But I’d argue this election isn’t as important as the ones after it. Even if America re-elects trump, he can only do so much to slide us toward fascism(not to minimize). But if his re-election doesn’t cause outrage and huge political shifts, we’re doomed. Two republican victories in a row and this country topples in a big way.

But I’d argue this election isn’t as important as the ones after it. Even if America re-elects trump, he can only do so much to slide us toward fascism(not to minimize). But if his re-election doesn’t cause outrage and huge political shifts, we’re doomed. Two republican victories in a row and this country topples in a big way.

I can't overstate how nice it is to see a hopeful opinion for a change. You are correct that it could take two elections for the fascists to takeover. The issue is that they could do it in one in theory.

If they win back the senate and take the executive branch in the next election they will control all three branches of the Federal Government. Trump has threatened to use the Insurrection Act to mobilize the military against civilians. Also, the Republicans are championing this Project 2025 from the conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation. Among other things, it calls for removing every nonpartisan member of the executive branch and replacing them with partisan yes-men who are only loyal to Trump.

https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/project-2025