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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Our government is being infiltrated by fascists at all levels. We need to vote the fascists out.

~Germans, 1920

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, we need to vote the fascists out of office. Otherwise we will end up like Nazi Germany.

I'm not going to assume. What do you mean?

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean germans who didnt like hitler might have had faith in democracy a little bit too long.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a true democracy, people have the ability to throw their democracy away. Hitler won an election to gain power. He was able to do that in part because Fascism was an entirely new political ideology then.

We have the advantage of knowing better. The trick is getting everyone to identify Trump as the fascist he is. Our democracy is only as strong as we are all informed.

It is of course too late for voting once the fascists complete their takeover. Thankfully that hasn't happened yet.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a true democracy we wouldn’t be limited to voting for wealthy individuals who had been in power all their lives. This is oligarhy with elements that keep kids beliving they have some kind of freeer freedom than people in the past. There is hardly anything democratic about a party convention deciding who the population will even have a chance to vote for.

We have the advantage of knowing better.

Tell that to MAGA idiots who are gonna vote for Trump again. It doesn’t concern them that we are worried. We cannot protect them from their own stupidity. Even if we try the system is rigged by the rich who rather exploit their stupidity for more money and power than protect them from stupid things they are bound to do.

Remember, there is no justice for trumps extremely illegal and undemocratic behavior simply because the rich and powerful decided he might still be useful.

In short the democracy they keep telling us we live in is a facade to a system where few make the choices that matter and leave the illusion of choice to the many to keep them docile. We make them rich and they make us suffer.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tell that to MAGA idiots who are gonna vote for Trump again.

Helping people to stop being fascists is a good thing. We are going to need to get on that too. But at this point, there are still so many people who haven't fully realized what is going on yet.

In short the democracy they keep telling us we live in is a facade to a system where few make the choices that matter and leave the illusion of choice to the many to keep them docile.

I'm aware that the wealthy have a disproportionate influence in our democracy. But we will still have a democracy. If the fascists win any of the next elections our democracy will be an illusion. The oligarchy of tech giants will be in complete control of our lives under the guidance of a christofascist state.

We make them rich and they make us suffer.

They can make it worse if we lose our democracy. While we can only make it better with our democracy.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think historically we made things better by revolting, not by democracy and I don’t think this time will be different.

I hope you’re right though, I’m still voting in my country but I don’t think I believe in good will of any of the sides. If lesser evil is our only option we’ll still eventually end up in hell.

In order to make this society better we’d need to change so many things it would basically be a whole 180. For one we’d need to fix public education, but in every country I know of it has been only eroding over the decades. Instead all the money goes to the elites and the proletariat gets dumber and dumber, to the point of electing fascists. What’s the point of voting „left” if the „left” still takes a piss on public schools and teachers? If not this election or the next, the nutters are gonna (democratically) win eventually.

In the US, we are going to be one election away from a fascist takeover for a while. We are circling the fascist drain. The point is we can have a better future, but only if we fight for it with the tools at our disposal. With voting, protesting, and spreading good information. Our only chance is to vote in Democrats and independents on the left like Bernie.

If the fascists takeover there are no guarantees. Even if a revolution succeeded there is no guarantee what we would get. Revolutions can just as easily cause a country to go from dictatorship to democracy as they can cause a country to go from dictatorship to dictatorship.