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[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can always tell when someone doesn’t understand something explained when they respond with “Cope” or “copium.”

Look at the actual data we’re getting about China. They don’t even publish their unemployment numbers for ages 24 and under because it’s over 22%. That’s not a country winning.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

how are their unemployed actually doing?

and wheres that 22% coming from, what with them not publishing the numbers?

[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Check my other comment I just responded to. Basically like every government China doesn’t just track “unemployment.” They track based on many different factors and sectors and age is one of them. 16-24 is a specific bracket that is often benchmarked as signs of positive growth from an economy and is linked to general upward mobility (think back to 08 in the USA when the Great Recession meant incredibly high unemployment rates, but higher rates among young people). So when those numbers aren’t favorable it paints a bleak picture that something in the economy is wrong. So rather than them actually trying to create new jobs and do better they chose to simply get rid of the numbers. The reason they most likely have a high unemployment rate among 16-24 is because those are heavy “factory” or “industrial line” years for workers who get jobs producing things. When you’re economy is contracting though and companies are building new things elsewhere then you have higher youth unemployment as a result. For the numbers check the other comment. It goes into further detail about other areas.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, I could just make numbers up too, but I don't need to, I just need to laugh at anyone that thinks America is doing great because the numbers kept going up after a policy of deliberate inflation.

Also, just a general "lmao" at the idea that you "explained" anything. Regurgitated a snippet you heard someone else say, maybe.

[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You can’t really explain anything on something as broad as a country’s position of global power. Me saying China isn’t doing well isn’t based off some small snippet of information I heard somewhere or the illusion of what our media is doing. It’s based off raw numbers of their own government, or removal of said number when they aren’t good enough. I don’t have anything against the people of China nor their country really. I’m just objectively saying what the numbers and direction of everything is showing. When you have policies like 1 child that stay in place for generations you run risks of going to long and creating a new social norm of no new population. When you do things like zero covid for three years randomly shutting down whole regions and ports you risk creating an economy that falls due to businesses looking elsewhere to work and build things. There’s things that add up to paint a bad picture. I wish them all well and want them to be successful.

here’s youth unemployment from China. China has been growing imports and shrinking exports massively. Lastly here’s an article talking about people even on Chinas own social media saying their government did a quick 180 on the stance of the US when China suddenly wanted to “work together” as they keep posting low numbers Link.

On political instability: here’s two high ranking party members with positions that were at the top who suddenly disappeared or were fired. Like a foreign minister who disappeared and wasn’t heard from for some time. Or the general who also disappeared from public the eye and was replaced. Alone as singular events these mean nothing, but add up that high ranking officials have been disappearing or fired suddenly over the last several months at a rate higher than expected and you have political instability.

Anyways, all this to say “lmao” I guess.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What an excellent demonstration of both Dunning-Kruger and how easy it is to trick morons with contextless statistics.

In other words, indeed, you guessed it

Lmao

If you'd like a better view of things on the youth employment, for example:

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/china-youth-unemployment-not-so-bad-by-nancy-qian-1-2023-09

Fun Fact: America wouldn't even count many of them as unemployed. People that aren't looking for work aren't counted.

COVID hit the world economy like a brick to the head, anyone pretending China's about to collapse because their export ratio is less positive than it was before while living in a net import nation is just a moron in general.