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[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It would be really great if the gun nuts who are going to post in this thread actually read the entire article. I couldn't make it through the descriptions of death and destruction, often from children. Pictures of body bags in elementary schools, bullet holes in church pews, and video of people running for their lives: This is what "gun rights" looks like to most people today.

I would hope you could have some empathy, but based on the last 24 years of flame wars I highly doubt it.

[–] v81@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

On the contrary... I've seen the New Zealand mosque shooting in full.

So no one gets to say "you don't get it" to me.

I came here to simply point out that focusing on a single gun is a bad idea.

This seems to be a common trait in the anti gun community.

Pretty much anything semi automatic would fill the vacuum the AR would leave immediately.

I like guns. But I'm wise enough to know they're a problem. A massive problem.

I'm also lucky enough to live in Australia, where guns have always been hard to get and the ownership of them tracked.

This tracking made getting all the semi automatics out of hands relatively easy here.

I now live in a society where an AR-15 is a 1 in a million firearm only allowed for those that can demonstrate a need for it.

What you guys gotta do is stop focusing on 1 firearm by name and focus on the actual issue.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I've also seen the mosque shooting in full.

In an ideal world, yes. All guns should be taken away. Things that can cause mass harm in the blink of an eye should absolutely not be in the hands of someone that isn't highly educated, not only about guns but educated period.

We do not live in an ideal world. For me, in the United States, we live in a world where people think that minorities are ruining their lives and everything would be better if they were killed. These people, these genuinely deplorable individuals, already have a shitload of guns. Far more than any state that restricts gun rights.

Thinking that these people will simply give up their guns without a fight would be like thinking that the Confederacy would simply sit back and let their slaves be taken away. The only difference is that the average person in Texas can have a fully automatic, 100 round mag bearing, fully kitted machine gun.

Simply saying "take away their guns" would absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, trigger the next Civil War here and it would be exponentially more bloody.

We need gun rights. Not for the sake of guns themselves, but because of the people who worship them.

[–] v81@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Honestly can't disagree with any of that. America is too far gone and your take on education and responsibility is spot on.

Switzerland is an odd example. Literally assualt rifles in nearly every home. But a completely different civil mindset.