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Louis Rossman/FUTO's YouTube app, GrayJay, now supports Sponsorblock... and shames you if you use it (lemmy.ca)

submitted 11 months ago by bionicjoey@lemmy.ca to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Seriously this was very surprising. I've been experimenting with GrayJay since it was announced and I largely think it's a pretty sweet app. I know there are concerns over how it isn't "true open source" but it's a hell of a lot more open than ReVanced. Plus, I like the general design and philosophy of the app.

I updated the YouTube backend recently and to my surprise and delight they had added support for SponsorBlock. However, when I went to enable it, it warned me "turning this on harms creators" and made me click a box before I could continue.

Bruh, you're literally an ad-blocking YouTube frontend. What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to be facilitating ad-blocking and then at the same time shame the end-user for using an extension which simply automates seeking ahead in videos. Are you seriously gonna tell me that even without Sponsorblock, if I skip ahead past the sponsored ad read in a video, that I'm "harming the creator"?

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[–] stifle867@programming.dev 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm confused about your stance on ReVanced. It's about as open-source as you can get https://github.com/revanced/revanced-patches

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

With ReVanced there is a core underlying app being patched which is not OSS. With GrayJay, the source of the whole thing is source-available

[–] stifle867@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I understand that and wouldn't have commented if you said that. Instead you said that, quote, ReVanced, end quote, is not open source.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

Well the app it creates on your device is not open source. The patch is, but the actual software being run isn't.

Also you can just use actual quotation marks my dude, no need to say "quote end quote" like some kind of Dan Carlin impersonator

[–] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

My understanding is that it literally can't be used in an open fashion since it critically requires a proprietary closed base.

Some source code is available but the entire thing is not open source.

[–] ayaya@lemdro.id 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think you guys are just discussing semantics. Revanced as a project is the patches themselves, so Revanced is open source. But a YouTube app patched with the Revanced patches is not.

[–] stifle867@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. Could have just said YouTube is closed source from the start when ReVanced is 100% open-source.

[–] brothershamus@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Well I'm glad that's settled then.

[–] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

That's a better way to frame it.

The patch is 'about as open source as you can get' but the actual application is far from it.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

no it's not. the modifications are open source, but the base client is the same old closed source Youtube app.