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TIL that in 1968, Liechtenstein held a referendum on women's suffrage where both men and women were allowed to vote. Despite this, the No-side won with 56.3% of the total and 49.5% of the women vote (en.wikipedia.org)

submitted 11 months ago by garfaagel@sh.itjust.works to c/til@lemmy.ca

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Women's suffrage would not be introduced in Liechtenstein until 1984.

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[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not a democratic process then by definition.

Secret ballot is not a prerequisite for a democratic process. The UK has numbered ballots allowing courts to, in exceptional circumstances, order the reveal of what someone has voted (violating the secret ballot). But we don't claim their voting process is undemocratic.

But how bold to assume, the vote was lost because men forced their women to use mail-in.

I never assumed this. I'm merely pointing out that the secret ballot is not an automatic given in a democratic election.

[–] heeplr@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

Secret ballot is not a prerequisite for a democratic process.

What? Of course it is. Hence: "The secret ballot became commonplace for individual citizens in liberal democracies worldwide by the late 20th century.".

The UK has numbered ballots

secret != anonymous ... OPs argument mainly dismissed confidentiality.

But we don't claim their voting process is undemocratic.

we certainly would if no one checked the number of people simultaniously using a voting booth.

I never assumed this.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that. I meant OPs argument.