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If someone wants to off themself, they're going to do it whether they have a gun or not. Look at Japan, higher suicide rate than the US, virtually no guns in their society. Americans typically use guns because it's quick and available. Even if guns weren't available, suiciders are gonna suicide. So yeah, it absolutely is not a gun issue, it's a societal issue, be it depression or lack of availability of assisted suicide.
Not supported by science nor statistics. There is no better way to reveal that not only are you not an expert, you havent even made a token effort to be informed.
Instead, you've just assumed you know everything there is to know about suicide prevention without looking and what a surprise, it just happens to align with whats most profitable for the gun lobby.
Wrong supported by both fundamental social science, and medicine.
Suicide is not a uniquely American problem, nor is higher male suicides. In fact America does not even make the top 20. Depression is the well understood as the leading cause of suicide. Depression has many many factors. From simple inheritance, to money, relationships, drugs, disease, and much more. Those are the causes. The only way to stop it, is mental health services, awareness, compassion, support and specifically for men, breaking the social stigma. Break the generational social contract that makes mental health for males taboo and only then will we achieve even suicide rates across genders.
Oh look you've brought genitals into it here too, even though you can't connect it to anything I've said this time, even with your eagerness to make wild stretches based on seeing the words "women" and "suicide" within 3 inches of one another.
As for the rest of your post, once again, I'm not the one arguing against evidence based suicide prevention, the pro-gun people are.
To put it bluntly, you sounds like someone that's struggling to combine "standing in solidarity with your fellow far-right reactionaries in the pro-gun community" with "doing your duty as a MRA by talking about suicide statistics like they're women's fault".
Ill help you out since you cant read. The title of this post is:
The only "evidence" you have provided is baseless claims. The facts I have provided are clear an unambiguous. Banning guns in Australia made no difference to suicide.
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and is eclipsed by hangings.To put it bluntly you seem like a bot rambling on without understanding the title of a post let alone content.
Good luck with that.
The gendering in the title has nothing to do with anything I said in any of my posts. I was discussing prevention strategies that apply to people regardless of gender, and your response was "but what about men?".
The article title also mentions "elderly", but you havent been nearly upset by people failing to laser focus on that adjective.
You can easily search for "suicide means reduction study" and find a mountain of evidence without me spoonfeeding each result to you.
The fact that you're insisting that means reduction doesn't work either means you never have, or you think that guns are a magical exception to that.
The facts you've provided are intentionally misleading but sure, since we're talking about Australia, here is what one of their leading suicide prevention groups thinks about means reduction, complete with the studies they've based it on.
And what's that at number 4? A study that doesn't say "banning guns (something Australia didn't actually do) made no difference", it says that it's not possible to determine if the reduction in suicides by firearms was because of the new restrictions on gun ownership, or part of a general trend downward.
Of course, you would have found that instantly had you have actually searched, but we both know your goal wasn't to keep the discussion factually accurate, it was to sea-lion as much as you could to make it a grind to respond to you.
You have an idiots idea of of what means reduction means. We've repeatedly shown that reducing access to popular, accessible "jump points" results in fewer suicides by any method.
It doesn't completely stop that method, nor did anybody suggest banning any structure more then 12ft high.
The increased firearm restrictions didn't have a detectable impact on the suicide rate on Australia because guns were not a common method of suicide in Australia to begin with.
What happened when means reduction wed implemented for more common methods like jumping? Oh look, the suicide rate went down, just like every study always says.
Do you went to argue that suicide by firearm isn't a significant of percentage of suicides in America? You might as well, since it would be just as self-serving and factually inaccurate as everything else you've argued.
Ill give you a hint, its in the title of OP's post.
no denying, suicide rate in the elderly is highest.
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Taking away access to guns doesn't no. My point is supported by the fact that taking away guns from the population of Australia resulted in NO reduction in suicide. None comparing the 20 years before to the 20 years after. You can't twist that. Its a matter of fact it increased overall and dominant means changed.Nice straw-man.
Yet I am the only one who has shown clear evidence to support it while your baseless opinion and generations continues to entertain.
Do the plot twists never end? You finally get the evidence you demanded and it's immediately disregarded without comment because it doesn't say what you want.
Still waiting for that magical evidence on gun control results in suicide reduction.
Up next generalisations the new scientific method.
Spoken like someone who hasn't had depressed friends off themselves after years of trying to talk them off the ledge. I don't give two fucks what your statistics or science say about it, I've lived it. So eat a bag of dicks and shut the fuck up about shit you've only read about on the internet.
Edit: down vote all you want you little bitch. I sincerely hope you take that attitude to someone in real life and they kick the absolute shit out of you, maybe then you'll realize your sheltered view of the world doesn't align with reality. Go touch grass.
Glorious. Downvotes are actually publicly visible on Lemmy and it wasnt me, but sure, go off.
Don't get embarassed though, you're still very big and scary and the "go touch grass" still hurts my feelings no matter how many times right wing reactionaries use it, because I'm that insecure.
I sincerely want to be sympathetic because I do know what thats like.
But its easy enough to swallow that compassion when I remember that you're only pulling out that trauma and heartbreak to defend gun laws that rob thousands of people of the chance to escape that same fate.
Because you don't get to "talk people off the ledge" when they have a gun. There is no ledge. Those critical opportunities for help and self-reflectance, that have saved thousands of people from bridges, rooftops and bathtubs full of blood, are all lost.
And the people talked off ledges don't just find another ledge. Only 1 in 10 people who survive a suicide attempt go on to die by suicide, but the survival rate of self inflicted gunshot wounds is functionally zero.
Its why, if someone you care about is struggling with depression or trauma, the very last thing you should do is give them a gun.
Fortunately for the gun-lobby, the only people gun owners seem to care about is themselves, no matter now many of their children blow their brains out with daddy's poorly secured firearm that he bought to "keep his family safe".
it was obvious to all of us :)