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US destroyer shoots down drone flying toward it in the Red Sea, defending itself in uneasy waters
(www.businessinsider.com)
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Swede here. Please tell us more about "Fucking with US boats".
In 2005, USS Ronald Reagan, a newly constructed $6.2 billion dollar aircraft carrier, sank after being hit by multiple torpedoes.
Yet despite making multiple attacks runs on the Reagan, the Gotland was never detected.
This outcome was replicated time and time again over two years of war games, with opposing destroyers and nuclear attack submarines succumbing to the stealthy Swedish sub.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/sunk-how-sweden-sent-americas-uss-ronald-reagan-bottom-sea-126707
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland-class_submarine
A) that's a simulation, the Ronald Reagan is still very much afloat
B) you totally missed the point ... which wasn't "my boat is bigger (read better) than your boat" but "if you touch my boat, we gonna have a problem... and you ain't gonna like the outcome"
While I think that was a good exercise that helped highlight weaknesses and vulnerabilities in US doctrine and equipment, it's important to note that in nearly all wargames and exercises, the US operates in worst possible conditions to better bring potential problems to the surface, such as a carrier operating without it's usual extended support and only utilizing assets in the carrier group proper. The Gotland and other AIP submarines were very good, but this was nearly 20 years ago and new techniques and equipment have been developed to aid in detecting and chasing them away.
This is the same song second verse of F-22s being shot down in wargames over the last 20 years, with the F-22 being limited by rules of the wargame such as keeping their fuel tanks equipped and use of certain equipment and features barred, putting the F-22 in a situation it could only find itself in if the operator defied every aspect of their doctrine they had spent the last 4+ years training under.
Not to discredit the exercise, the US learned the assets they had at hand were not up to snuff in dealing with potential threats being developed, and some assumptions proven wrong about what the last line of defenses they did have could deal with.
this and what op said are cool info, thanks
As a Veteran this information is interesting indeed. It's always nice to see little knowledge nuggets. Thank you.