Precisely what I've meant, maybe I've worded it poorly. Russia cannot surpass China even with China's help simply because of capitalism's own limitations.

They also killed millions with central planning,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

To believe that a country in such a destroyed condition which had just made the transition from feudalism to socialism had the fault for this catastrophe is to be blind to history. Europe has had a lot of famines through its history, China had just been through multiple wars and already was a poor country.

and have now become a market autocracy, not communist.

It's normal to confuse between the two, don't worry, I'd highly recommend you to read Mao Zedong or Deng Xiaoping to understand a bit better the nuances of the role of the market in a socialist society, and how it differs from that in a capitalist society. I pray so that your country can also be free from the torturous chains of the bourgeoisie.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The major contributing factors in the famine were the policies of the Great Leap Forward (1958 to 1962) and people's communes, launched by Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party Mao Zedong, such as inefficient distribution of food within the nation's planned economy; requiring the use of poor agricultural techniques; the Four Pests campaign that reduced sparrow populations (which disrupted the ecosystem); over-reporting of grain production; and ordering millions of farmers to switch to iron and steel production

Central planning literally made it worse.

And locking up political enemies is pretty authoritarian...

Authorities often label independent or investigative coverage as "fake news".[2] Since Xi Jinping became the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in 2012, various commentators, protesters, feminists, lawyers, journalists, and activists have been arrested, detained, jailed, and threatened for attempting to exercise press freedom.[3][4] As of 2023, Reporters Without Borders called China "the world’s largest jailer of journalists."[

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_China

[–] Valmond@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

You're fighting a tankie it seems.

Which means "communism" good, Europe & USA bad.

It's a shame because I don't like lot of things here in the EU but we have probably the best life in history, so throwing that away for some dictators dream seems just idiotic.

It's a shame because it seems you can't discuss with them, it's so black and white.

Cheers.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And locking up political enemies is pretty authoritarian…

Isn't your shithole country torturing Assange right now for exposing US war crimes?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The old whataboutism.

We are not all from the USA and no country is perfect, that doesn't mean any single country gets a pass in my opinion.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Screeching whataboutism is a logical fallacy used to justify having double standards for yourself and your adversaries. If the things you claim to happen in China are actually happening in your own country then that's what you should be focused on. Meanwhile, it's not just USA that's at fault in the west. Every western country commits horrific atrocities. For example, France is doing brutal crackdowns on protesters with militarized as we speak.

Maybe if westerners focused on fixing up their own shithole countries instead of yapping about China all the time, the west wouldn't be where it is today.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not creeching :-)

And whataboutism is what you just did, answering critic with "what about that country?!".

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Once again, whataboutism is not a sound argument. It's a logical fallacy and using it discredits any argument you might've had.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Correct, that is why I called you out when you were using it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, I wasn't using it, I was pointing out that the person moaning about authoritarianism in China has far worse things happening in their own country.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's literally what whataboutism is

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

Whataboutism isn't a thing, calling whataboutism is a logical fallacy. The fact that you can't understand that is hilarious.