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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course they make bank on their app store. It's a monopoly.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It is not a monopoly. They have Apple as a major competitor and Google allows sideloading within their own ecosystem.

Apple is the one where a monopoly is starting to become a concern, especially as their app ecosystem is completely locked down.

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Real talk: sideloading is allowed on android in the most maliciously compliant way possible.

Google restricts what other app stores can be included with devices that ship with play services

User-sideloaded app stores can't auto-update apps

Play protect will flag any app that the play store has hashes of, but was installed by another app store. (Developers cannot, for example, upload a list of valid hashes for their apps to Google to prevent false positives here, effectively making other install routes appear as malware if they're different.)

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

User-sideloaded app stores can’t auto-update apps

I think they've changed this in recent versions. While I disable auto-update everywhere, Neo Store (my f-droid app) has a setting for auto-update.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

This is from wikipedia: "In law, a monopoly is a business entity that has significant market power, that is, the power to charge overly high prices, which is associated with a decrease in social surplus." As a side note, I find it really distasteful when people say, "It is not a monopoly," because it adds nothing to the conversation, and is almost always wrong.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It is not a monopoly. They have Apple as a major competitor

Thank god! Where can I download the Apple App store on to my Android phone? I can't? Then it's irrelevant to this conversation around Google's monopoly on Android.

Google allows sideloading within their own ecosystem.

As @logicbomb points out, just because a ecosystem is open, doesn't mean a monopoly doesn't exist. All the other stores are pretty niche and Google controls 90%+ of the market, so by definition it is a monopoly. A monopoly on it's own isn't illegal or even bad, and we have to dig in further to determine that. As you pointed out, it's pretty clear-cut that Apple has a forced monopoly where users have to actively work against the system to load apps outside of Apple's ecosystem. While Google's case isn't as clear many have argued that Google's Android has kneecapped alternative stores like Amazon's, possibly in anti-competitive ways.

I personally love f-droid, but Google does not make it an easy process to sideload!

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 11 months ago

The fact that it is called sideloading implies the monopoly. It'd just be "installing" otherwise

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Apple isn't really a major competitor when android has 80% of the market.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Apple isn't really a major competitor when android has 80% of the market.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

It has most of the paying customers/revenue though.