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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hasn't Christmas has been around longer than capitalism?

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the way we celebrate it now, not really

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not like the capitalism is the same either. But in similarish forms, Christmas is old and I'd say older than similarish capitalism

[–] Kuma@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know about other countries, but in the nordic countries was it not a day to get present until after 1600 so there may have been a time with less visible capitalism. The presents started as a gift to ppl in need and later became a thing you give to family and friends. That day wasn't even a Christian day at first until we converted. It was called midwinter(no presents, just a celebration). But like the person who responded to you before me said; capitalism has been around a lot longer.

[–] dan@sffa.community 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where would you place the starts of those two?

[–] dan@sffa.community 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Religion is a product of capitalism and it's right hand. The other hand of capitalism is state.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Religion is a product of capitalism

This is such a bizarre take. That would mean capitalism existing before religion.

[–] dan@sffa.community 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When do you figure those two things started?

[–] dan@sffa.community 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

During agricultural revolution

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago