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Germany Deserves a Big Share of the Blame for the Ukraine Disaster (www.counterpunch.org)

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[–] UnreliantGiant@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

NATO overthrew the legitimate democratically elected government in Ukraine and replaced it with a right wing regime

NATO? You think Euromaidan is a creation of NATO? If anything you might mean the US here. Right wing regime? Yeah there were right wing groups involved, but they didn't exactly make it into the government. Poroshenko wasn't good either, but he was democratically elected and certainly not worse than Janukowytsch. I can't attest to the validity of those elections though, I wasn't there. Also Zelenskyy is of jewish heritage and no far right party gained a seat in the 2019 government, you can hardly call that a right wing regime.

Russia was perfectly fine with Ukraine doing its own thing

You're aware Janukowytsch was basically Putins puppet right? That's not Ukraine doing its own thing. I'm still convinced Putin enabled this whole mess in eastern Ukraine because he lost his puppet and wants to bring it back. If Ukraine joined NATO, that would become impossible. This is why Putin is so scared of NATO

Russian invasion of Ukraine is not justifiable, however it’s reductionist to ignore the reasons behind why the invasion happened.

Agreed

The war is a result of tensions that were largely escalated by NATO

Disagreed. I believe if NATO didn't expand to the east (those countries joined voluntarily by the way), Russia would have caused much more chaos there in the past 30 years. Or maybe it could have worked out better, we will never know since it didn't happen.

plenty of experts in the west have been warning about this

It's easy to find people who predicted the future when it's already in the past. But in the present things are not as obvious

That's it from me

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Literally linked you sources, and yes Euromaidan is very much a NATO project with US being in the driver seat of the whole organization. These groups very much did make it into both the government and the military.

Arguing that Zelensky is of jewish heritage is like saying US doesn't have a problem with racism because Obama is black. Also, wait till you find out about Israel.

You’re aware Janukowytsch was basically Putins puppet right

That's a pretty big claim. I don't see how he was Putin's puppet any more than Scholtz is Biden's puppet.

Disagreed

All the experts on the subject matter disagree with you, but I'm sure you know best.

It’s easy to find people who predicted the future when it’s already in the past. But in the present things are not as obvious

People have predicted this since 1997, I've literally linked you examples of that. At least read the comment you're replying to.