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That is literally not what both Germany and France tried all these years. In fact, there is no trying involved here. Both Germany and France could have vetoed Ukraine's membership in NATO at any time. There is literally no trying involved here.
Again, vetoing their membership would have by all likelihood meant that a new NATO without Germany and France, but with Ukraine would have been started. Better to be on the boat and silently block it than leaving it all to the hardliners... you clearly don't understand German Realpolitik at all.
NATO wouldn't really be an organization worth of note without France and Germany. This is precisely why Germany was in the position to act. You're engaging in speculation about something that may eventually happen as a justification for not taking action to avert a real war in which people are currently dying.
You are deeply mistaken. Germany has no functional army at all and is a dead weight on NATO, and France has always had a "we would rather not be in NATO at all" stance. Why do you think Trump pushed so hard for Germany to increase military spending instead of relying on US troops stationed there?
I'm not mistaken at all. You're arguing against a scenario you literally made up to justify doing nothing to avoid a very real war. There's clearly no point continuing this.