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‘Pure greed:’ Etiquette expert explains why tipping has gotten out of control
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this post was submitted on 12 Nov 2023
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You said customers should never feel obligated or ashamed. Never. I definitely feel ashamed of using these services and feel obligated to tip generously, and you should too.
So we're in agreement then? Why are you lighting me up when we're clearly on the same side? You need to learn to recognize an ally and save the anger for someone who deserves it, or you'll find yourself without any allies.
I don't know if we are, actually.
Do you still use these services? And if you do, do you tip?
Yes, I go to restaurants every so often, and I always tip and tip well. I refuse to punish the workers for the broken system. That doesn't degrade my argument that they should be paid a living wage instead of having to rely on tips at all.
When I say customers should not feel ashamed or obligated to tip, I mean that the system should change in such a way that tips are not expected and workers are paid a living wage. The system is not currently like that, we get that. Snapping back at me over the way the system IS when we both agree on how it should be is being intentionally argumentative for no reason.
Then we are in agreement. I read your comment as unconditional i.e. customers should never be pressured to tip, regardless of the wages of the worker.
You're either intentionally being obtuse or are just plain stupid. Customers SHOULDNT be in a position of being forced to tip or be ashamed for normal acitivitues. Absolutely required tipping should not be a thing. It should be optional. It doesn't matter what the current culture is, because that's not the conversation. That's the point.
But they are in a position of being ashamed because those workers need tips. Shoulda woulda coulda, I don't like it when people decide to not tip as some kind of political protest against tipping.
Let's never talk about changing anything because it's not the current climate then, yeah? There's no point in discussing change at all, clearly, since it doesn't apply to specifically exactly what's currently going on. Truly you are a paragon of our time
Refusing to tip will not change anything.