You're claiming communism is so great and when presented with links you just go "WELL WHAT ABOUT ALL THIS HUH" and then completely ignore the above. It's ridiculous. Actual text book definition of what about ism. Seriously stop and think for yourself for two seconds without restarting to this tribal shit slinging mentality.

Yeah, capitalism is bad, we live in it, we can see that happening around us, but you're eating literal propaganda about communism and ignoring actual verifiable evidence. This isn't a capitalism vs communism debate, there are more than two fucking systems you smooth brain chud

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml -1 points 11 months ago

So what's your solution? And what verifiable evidence are you talking about?

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Love how all your sources are NATOpedia and all their sources are actual sources.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The holodomor narrative surrounding the ussr wide famine of 32-33 was literal nazi propaganda from open nazi collaborators and was used as a justification for the mass murder of jews in Eastern Europe during the holocaust.

It was debunked in the literal 1930s in the US and now it re-emerges like a zombie during an era where fascism is on the rise. Even anticommunist academics like Applebaum, Davies, and Conquest say it wasn't a genocide.

[–] probablyaCat@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What a crock of shit. Practically every historian says it was caused by soviet policy. The only debate that occurs if whether it was due to stupidity or intentional genocide.

I could keep going. Gonna tell me how the Holocaust was a lie too?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Literally none of your sources definitively claim it was a genocide except the university of Minnesota one which cites Davies and Applebaum who later says it wasn't.

Also lol, you use Wikipedia, a random university of Minnesota webpage, KellogInsight, and I dont even know where you got your last source but it literally cites Wheatcroft and Davies amongst others who do not argue it was a genocide after examining the soviet archives.

Gonna tell me how the Holocaust was a lie too?

No, the holocaust is a well documented historical fact, unlike the holodomor. The soviet wide famine of 1932 and 33 is a well documented historical fact, it is also not considered a genocide by mainstream anticommunist historians, who argue to what extent soviet policies and which policies worsened the famine.

Also ironic that you ask "do you also deny the holocaust" given the holodomor myth was used as justification to kill Jewish people during the holocaust and was later used as justification for collaboration with the holocaust.

Here is a well respected Jewish historian and activist on it:

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wow the lengths commies go to deny actual genocide.

We all know communism is an ideology strictly for the uneducated and violent, why try so hard to make it seem like something else? The countless sexual and ethnic minorities murdered by communism due to its inherent hateful nature is something only the nazis on the other end of the fascism-spectrum rivaled.

[–] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

Yeah but some guy I once met had a grandpa who lived in Europe for a year, he said Russia was great