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[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The number one (by a long way) selling vehicle in the US is a massively over sized truck. Designed to be so heavy to avoid falling under emissions laws.

There is no electric vehicle that comes even close to that. You want those people interested in electric cars. They don't give a single fuck about what your think about buses and nothing you will ever do in your lifetime will change that. Ever.

Getting people into EVs is an across the board incremental improvement in the exact definition of the word.

You're right about the massive benefits of transit and trains in particular would be so amazing.. but none of the people we want getting out of F150s give a single shit.

[–] cousinDanny@mastodon.social 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@xenoclast @ProgrammingSocks once you add a weight tax and special license qualifications they might start changing their tune

[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, but they're also a pretty big part of the voter base, so how would you get that passed?

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't care about getting people into things. That's a highly individualistic way to look at the problem. Car dependency is a societal problem, and marketing won't solve societal problems. There needs to be a fundamental change in the way we (specifically the government) view transportation as a whole. (And as an extension to that, there also needs to be a change in regulation to close that loophole for light trucks.)

What's important to me is getting lawmakers and those advocating to the lawmakers on board with funding public transit and making the streets safer for all people using them. Yes we need people on board too but really only enough to get these ideas in lawmakers heads as a major issue. A minority. The majority of people don't understand or care and that's fine, because their minds will start to change once they see it actually working. In the words of NJB, there are not that many car people, bike people, or train people. Most people just want to get to their destinations as quickly and efficiently as possible.

We don't live in a direct democracy. 51% don't have to explicitly agree to laws. The government passes laws that are bad for people and the majority disagree with all the time. Not saying the majority of people disagree, I honestly think they couldn't care less. I'm just saying we don't actually have to recruit hundreds of millions of people.

Unfortunately, a major part of this plan is going to have to restrict what oil companies are allowed to do and nowadays that's seemingly impossible. Only seemingly though. Nothing is truly set in stone.