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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Climate change is a big enough problem that it is worth prioritizing.

[–] MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I see them as "diet" cars. Similar to if someone is trying to cut back on sodas, switching to diet sodas is a net benefit. That's not to say diet sodas are good for you or remotely healthy, they're just less bad than the alternative.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say prioritizing rather than worth practicing. Corporations do much more damage than all the automobile drivers.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions

Transportation (28% of 2021 greenhouse gas emissions) – The transportation sector generates the largest share of greenhouse gas emissions. Greenhouse gas emissions from transportation primarily come from burning fossil fuel for our cars, trucks, ships, trains, and planes. Over 94% of the fuel used for transportation is petroleum based, which includes primarily gasoline and diesel.2

To further break it down:

The largest sources of transportation-related greenhouse gas emissions include passenger cars, medium- and heavy-duty trucks, and light-duty trucks, including sport utility vehicles, pickup trucks, and minivans. These sources account for over half of the emissions from the transportation sector.

So the idea that transportation emissions from regular people is totally negligible compared to corporate excesses isn't actually realistic. It's a major chunk of it.

[–] tigerhawkvok@startrek.website 2 points 11 months ago

Exactly. We're a minority but it's still like 15%-20% of the overall problem that's addressable.

[–] KaleDaddy@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. Corporations ABSOLUTELY are a problem we NEED to fight. But its also not an excuse to pretend we're all completely blameless. People get furious when you tell them we cant sit around and wait for climate change to magically fix itself or billionaires to magically become good and stop. But that WE are going to have to actually make changes and put our money where our mouths are

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To be clear this isn't quite my own argument; even though I am saying that transportation emissions are too substantial to be ignored, I am skeptical of "personal responsibility" type solutions. I think it would be better to approach this with stuff like taxing companies based on employee commutes, taxing oil, urban planning and improved public transportation.

[–] KaleDaddy@beehaw.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Even those require individuals to do something though. Since the government and basically every corporation is entirely opposed to this. You still have to march and protest and call your representatives and fight for it. There's no reality where this ever changes with no one doing anything beyond an occasional Facebook post. However, even if suddenly our politicians and billionaires all had a change of heart, the necessary changes to effectively combat this environmental catastrophy would mean a complete upheaval of our lives. Cars and animal products either cease to be made or are so expensive barely anyone can afford them. We'll be using public transportation and bikes and eating mostly vegan diets and bringing our reusable bags to our zero waste grocery stores. Itd force people to do all the things that various groups are already trying to get everyone to do (and to be clear im not sitting on my high horse claiming i already do all that, because i dont) There's no way through this where we solve the problem and it doesnt require all of us to change our own habits

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

the necessary changes to effectively combat this environmental catastrophy would mean a complete upheaval of our lives

Yes. But that doesn't mean it makes sense to frame things as being about who is 'good' and who is to be blamed, or that the impetus for change should be personal initiative to adjust away from unsustainable lifestyles. What's needed is uncompromising policy solutions, and ones that are designed by experts to actually have a direct impact. People often get confused about what matters and what doesn't, and proportionality. For instance restrictions on plastic bags at grocery stores is totally negligible for climate change, and arguably makes the situation slightly worse. Meat consumption has a significant impact globally, but in a first world context is relatively insignificant compared to the other things we do to create emissions. The problem isn't that people aren't choosing to live virtuously, since even if they did many attractive definitions of virtuous would not produce the needed results, and realistically that is not a viable way for human behavior to be adjusted anyway. The problem is that the circumstances around us shape our lives, and impel us to live in an unsustainable way, and that is what has to change.

Basically I think it just has to be more things like, accepting that deliberately high gas prices are a necessary sacrifice for the wellbeing of humanity, rather than asking everyone to choose to drive less and pat themselves on the back when they manage it and feel shame when they do not.