I highly recommend this book from Ray Dalio to get an idea of what we can expect going forward. I find it does a really good job putting current events into historic context and makes a strong case that what we're currently seeing is par for the course for where we happen to be in the historical cycle.

I agree with you that there's pretty much no chance of NATO being abolished in the foreseeable future. If Russia chose to play a smart diplomatic game, I think they could've managed to wean Europe from NATO by offering trade and cooperation. Unfortunately, they chose to start a war and confirm all the fears Europe had regarding them.

And I don't really see how an architecture could be designed that doesn't look like a threat to either Europe or Russia at this point. Both sides have plenty of reasons to mistrust each other, and I think we'll continue to see a very tense situation in the foreseeable future.

[–] DPUGT2@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

think they could’ve managed to wean Europe from NATO by offering trade and cooperation.

As someone firmly on the other side of this, with strong and persistent anti-Russia biases, I can still say that if they had done so this would've worked.

It's what I want, it's what everyone wants. Hell, they might even have done the economic warfare thing themselves, gotten revenge on a few enemies if that's what they wanted, and everyone would still cheer them on for it.

There's some sort of underdog "we can't ever win" attitude going on with them that compels this sort of behavior. Which is strange coming from the first nation to ever make it into space. The only one who was ever a plausible rival to the US.

And I don’t really see how an architecture could be designed that doesn’t look like a threat to either Europe or Russia at this point. Both sides have plenty of reasons to mistrust each other,

I don't want the Russian people miserable. I don't want them to suffer in poverty. I don't have any burning need to see them punished (and I'd struggle to think of anything they should be punished for). Hell, on the other hand, there's Germany... "cough cough".

Honestly, I wish someone in the US state department would pull their head out of their ass and at least try to convince Russia that they should join NATO, and at least make them feel like they are wanted within it. I don't want them to be our enemy, and I don't think we can afford for them to be it. We've at least been allies, if a long time ago. We should be again.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Having grown up in USSR, I can give you some insight into what people in Russia think. People deeply resent the west because they feel that the west chose to treat the Soviet Union as the enemy. It was promptly invaded in 1918 right after the revolution ended. Then it was plunged into WW2 a couple of decades later, and after that there was the Cold War. USSR has been under threat of war from the western world throughout its whole existence.

Then in the 90s when USSR collapsed everyone thought that we'd join the west and live as one big happy family since we chose to adopt the western model and there was nothing left to fight about. Instead of that Russia treated to economic shock and plundering by western powers. Life became absolutely horrific for the vast majority of people, and I personally remember things like food shortages during that time.

This was the point where people realized that the west never had any good intentions towards Russia. This is precisely what gave rise to Putin who managed to take control of the economy and make Russia a sovereign state again.

Nowadays there's deep mistrust on both sides, and I really don't know how that can be bridged after this war. It seems to me that relations between the west and Russia are rolling back to USSR days where both sides are treating each other as an enemy and an existential threat. I suspect that things will get a lot worse before they get better.