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[–] juergen@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

As an IT Professional i hate AI, because many People favor AI in Situations where statistical Algorithms are already good.

  • it has huge energy needs to train a model on thousands on input data, compared to simply having a concise statistical algorithm who does the thing you want to do. Think Spam filtering (usually an statistical Algorithm) vs Captcha (in Google's case AI)
  • It is much harder to debug and fixup after it has gone wrong. structrual Bias in the input data (think sexism, racism) is hard to remove on a big scale. Algorithms are easy to change.
  • As Software Developer, i favor mimimalist but useful technology. Very few things AI can do (which Algorithms can't) are actually helpful to society.
  • I think of Software Development as an Art of Craftmanship - AI is far away from that, it is like searching for needles in a hay stack in terms of finding solutions. And when you found a solution, you don't know why it works, you can't adapt it to other Problems easily.

I agree that AI can be helpful and inspiring for new Algorithms but in many cases AI is used to replace Algorithms, wasting huge energy resources in the process - instead of just improving said Algorithms.

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

The huge energy needs are... yeah

There was an article in our newspaper not long ago about the possibility of using AI to optimize the CO2 footprint of concrete.

Like, everyone was suuuper into it, and it genuinely did a good job at what they needed it to do. But actually using this at a large scale throws the benefits completely out of the window in terms of raw energy consumption to even run it.

[–] 520@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is one thing you have left out though; machine learning lowers barriers. It takes years to become a good statistical analyst, data engineer, or what have you. Now, I can train an AI to analyse the data and sure, when done right the results will be 90% as good as if I studied statistics for 10 years and did it myself, and yes there are pitfalls to be wary of, but now there are a lot of people with access to these tools that were previously out of reach.

[–] juergen@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The biggest challenge humanity as a whole is currently - i am not exaggerating - solving the climate catastrophe. In this context, i don't care if machine learning lowers barriers.

I don't want it even - Because we don't have that many resources available to solving this existential crisis of humanity. I want energy and resources to spent wisely with benefit to society. Much of how machine learning, AI and bitcoin, etc is used today does nothing (and is even harmful) in that regard.

[–] 520@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If your target is lower carbon emissions then you are targeting the wrong group. Green electricity is already plenty possible, and we'd be on a doomsday course even without AI.

The problem is not the power consumption of AI but the over reliance on fossil fuel power plants.

[–] juergen@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I disagree - i think only relying on green electricity is good, but it won't solve the devastating status we are currently that is the climate catastrophe.

Scientists currently say we are on track of their worst predictions. We need radical change, and one such change is reducing our consumption of resources drastically, globally. Consuming less power makes it much easier to use green electricity for this power.

[–] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

hey, that's a better critique or commentary than in the onion article.

while i don't doubt people are trying to shove AI into a lot of places it's not optimal yet, (which is entirely fair and reasonable to point out) i don't think that's a fair reason to poo-poo any use or positivity about AI in any context.

rather, it's become a really big fad to hate on AI and insult anyone who uses it. i mean, the technology is still young, but the stuff it's already doing was "impossible" and "never going to happen" a few years ago. now we are developing things like text to 3d, which makes me excited for a future environment where you can dictate design and animation for entire animated experiences/movies.

independent creatives will have a blast with it. salty onion article writer will be angrily yelling at his computer.

[–] juergen@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think i am hating AI this much is also due to the fact that we as humanity have big troubles fixing the climate catastrophe. And not only does AI in 99% not contribute meaningful things towards this huge challenge, rather it accelerates the problem with its huge energy needs. Needs which i call "waste" compared to the much more important problem of solving climate catastrophe.

It is the same reason i hate bitcoin.

This onion article captures my emotion much better than anything anybody has said in recent years. Because it expresses my Hate towards Managers which much power, much money - who could do lots of great things to society by being ousted. Those managers won't listen to any arguments i could give, nor would they ever see my argument. They care only about money and greed. By not listing facts this onion article is much more to the point.

It is glorious satire, loving it.

[–] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

bitcoin never had a use other than "will become valuable?"

many (myself included) believe this technology will probably be the only one that will develop fast enough to actually help with the climate crisis.

optimizing research and academia as well as environmental issues through information processing. people are excitedly talking about automated proof-checking and context finders that can sift through hundred of papers while you check your coffee. this stuff is good for science and science is good for environmentalism. maybe go after the politicians and companies that are not possibly going to be a benefit in the struggle against environmental collapse.

why do people keep relating it to bitcoin? because it uses GPUs? that's literally the only connection.

somehow people have associated it with crypto and NFTs as if they are even mildly related. perhaps because those things are easier to hate, so why not associate them.

[–] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We already have at least a century of research telling us that burning fossil fuels leads to climate change. What's AI going to do at this point?

[–] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

give us a way to fix the issue without relying on the idiots at the top being decent human beings.

if you can fix that issue then we wouldn't have so much of a problem.

i'd expect AI to help through information processing for research and engineering. current AI tools are already useful to many as co-pilot tools. not everyone is creative enough to get use out of AI, but we are moving towards being able to dictate and gesture in natural language to optimize some things that may have taken a lot more time. it's also valuable for certain efforts in optimization and engineering. does everyone hate alphafold now too?

i think a lot of the AI hate right now is from the fact that it takes thought and creative use to get the most out of available tools. as we all learned, if it isn't already "AGI" it's 100% useless for everything forever.