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I'm glad you found your way here but FFS stop whining about John Oliver! Reddit mods are doing this for the greater good, the same reason why many of us are pirates, GREEDY CORPORATIONS.
People like you are the reason why Reddit will eventually win, grow up.
The greater good!
It’s incredibly childish to asume a bunch of John Oliver memes are going to make Reddit "lose". They’ll "win" no matter what.
Once people start getting tired of the John Oliver meme, they’ll either just stop and leave Reddit, or continue to use it normally. Mark my words: in 2 months, go and click the profiles of everyone memeing around with the Oliver stuff, and most of them will have normal activity on Reddit as if nothing had happened. And subs that continue with the memes are just going to be abandoned while replacement subs will surface and get bigger than the originals.
The only way Reddit is going to feel a hit is if hundreds of thousands people edit their entire comment and post history, delete their accounts, and never visit the site again. But then again, Facebook had a much, MUCH worse situation and they’re still fine.
Of course these games are not going to last forever, but every day that subs are flooded with John Oliver is an extra day for people to learn about the drama and to consider moving to another platform. For subs that were forced open, it was either this or already going back to normal.
Is Facebook really fine though? All the interesting ppl I knew stopped using it a long time ago. People just use it to message a few specific ppl they know IRL and trade shit on FB marketplace, or spam pictures of their baby nobody wants to see, but everyone knows and acknowledges how garbage it has become.
Yeah, that’s super hip and all, but Facebook is still valued at 711.96 BILLION dollars, and growing. Just to put that into perspective, Reddit is valued at 2% of that…
As you can see, all the interesting ppl you know leaving the platform didn’t make anything to them as a company, and it’s exactly what is going to happen with Reddit as most people don’t even care about the API thing. The official app has 100+ million downloads vs Sync, for example, which has 1+ million downloads on the Play Store (and I’m sure that on the iOS side with Apollo it’s exactly the same if download data was public). Thousands of new adopters will keep arriving every single day, new communities will be created. Next thing you know, your grandma hangs around in knitting subreddits.
As I’ve said, corpos will win at the end of the day, unless they get the middle finger from everyone, not just the 1% of its community.
It depends which "interesting people" you're talking about. I'd say investors like Peter Thiel (*spits on the ground) leaving the company were a key sign that it's past its prime.
For reddit, it doesn't need to be a middle finger from everyone. It needs to be some critical mass - and not even a critical mass of users, but of key content creators. However, all the bots and fake stories on reddit will likely help it limp on a while longer.
"Key content creators" like who, specifically?
I’ve seen this argument and I still don’t understand it. I might be wrong but do people actually believe the site was all shinny and interesting because of a group of superstar redditors who posted all the good stuff?
Reddit has 1.660 billion monthly active users. Sure, most of them just lurk around, but everyone is replaceable: mods, "content creators", you name it. One goes away, and 100 more are in line waiting for their chance.
I'm not sure why so many people are treating this as a black or white thing. Either Reddit dies in a week or they "win". It's gonna take years and years for it to actually "die", it's just going to get shittier and shittier, while hopefully it gets better and better around here, and maybe if we want to put the optimistic hat we can even hope that the federated nature means it won't suffer the same fate all these corporations go through.
I agree with your point about the content creators though, like yeah it's a small % that actually created the content, but that small % is still millions of people, not just a few superstars (unless you're talking about the gallowboobs and other mass posters but I wouldn't say these accounts are the ones making the good content).
That's pretty much exactly what I'm getting at. Reddit will linger on for a while, but at some point it will reach a critical mass where it will topple over.
There's no black or white, but a sliding scale. Reddit has been well balanced, but now it is quite heavily imbalanced, and that will only get worse until it falls.
That’s exactly what I’m trying to say.
This all started because OP thanked God for this space to replace r/piracy, now that the subreddit is a meme cesspool, and a dude came to claim "people like him are going to make Reddit win".
These people don’t realize we are the 0.01% of Reddit’s users, and two pathetic days of "blackout", a week of memes and a couple of rogue mods isn’t this brave, heroic, mass-scale social movement that will suddenly kill Reddit overnight. Reddit will keep growing both in users and financially, and it’ll need years of hundreds of thousands of people ditching the site and replacing it with something else PERMANENTLY, for them to even feel a hit.
So regarding people’s comments about Reddit already being doomed and an inch away from disappearing because some of us left, the reality is that it’s exactly the opposite. They don’t need us to "win" which for them is to keep growing.
@LoFi-Enchilada @TWeaK @dopethrone @stroller @artaxadepressedhorse The "key content creators" are the people who post the posts that the majority of users come to see. There's a rule that social media is 1% posters, 99% lurkers. Lurkers don't lurk for John Oliver and they won't lurk long for repost bots.
I never said the majority of people in the world are all that wise.. p sure the only reason we've gotten where we are, the only reason we have anything nice we have, is by a rare few in the population questioning the aimless groupthink momentum.
Look at all the garbage music celebrities that 80% of people worship, and how that shapes what's played on the radio, at the gym, the grocery store. This seems to just be human nature. Most people are just going to follow orders dictated by pop culture. Is that who you want to be?
I wish I was a normie lol just not in me. Things would be easier
You tried to question Facebook being fine and I just shared cold numbers with you, and now you’re trying to question "who am I want to be"?
Don’t beat around the bush: neither Facebook and Reddit need you or your special hipster friends to thrive. You can argue that now they’re both trash websites all you want, and that this is the new oasis, but that’s your point of view out of the 1.660 billion active users that visit Reddit each month, and growing.
And also, you made that heroic-sounding comment criticizing "group mentalities" and then proceed to talk in plural about how "we" ended up here. The joke tells itself. 🥹
If they don't need us to thrive, they should just get over people leaving.
I don't care about market values, stocks, "group mentalities", or any of that. Those specific things relating to Reddit have no bearing on my personal life. I don't care if Reddit thrives or dies at this point. I am done with that company over personal values.
Additionally, I don't miss the toxic comments. I don't miss people insulting others at the drop of a hat over minor disagreements. I don't the miss the poorly-veiled put downs. I don't miss the condescending tones.
I am happy that I left Reddit. Now that I'm gone, I don't think anything could ever make me go back.
Why exactly are we arguing? If you wanna use Facebook and Reddit, go right ahead I'm not standing in your way, but I'll not be a part of it. Reddit was like 60% crap to me already and now it's 100% crap. If Lemmy somehow turns crap I'll just go touch grass more..
@LoFi-Enchilada @dopethrone @stroller @artaxadepressedhorse Market valuation is a bullshit number. The rules are made up and the dollars don't matter at that level.
Reddit isn't going to win or lose, it already lost. It has never been profitable, has been outcompeted by Instagram and TikTok, and was already showing signs of failure. The one thing that they had going for them was their relationship with the community, and they couldn't even maintain that. At this point Reddit is a sinking ship, average people will move on to the next big thing and the power users will move to other places they can get their content seen, and Reddit may not be in the grave but they've already dug it and they are on the edge.
Yeah this current chain of events is just making a lot more people open their eyes. Even me, deep down I already knew Reddit was going down the drain for a long time already, but especially within my RiF and curated feed, I was shielded from most of it. Now the mask is coming off and everyone can see it for what it is, another corporation that's going to do whatever it takes to squeeze the last penny. I feel sad, I'll miss my old Reddit, but it's the cycle of life. The king is dead, long live the king!
Right.
So according to your detailed timeline, when is Reddit going to see a decline in new users and total monthly users, because it has only went up and up with no signs of stopping. Is that part of being on the edge of their grave, or just an unexplainable anomaly?
Also, neither TikTok or Instagram are discussion forums. TikTok is a short-video platform and instagram is a photo sharing platform. Your comparison is like saying McDonald’s outcompeted Ticketmaster.
If you haven't noticed, reddit has a MASSIVE bot problem, I'd wager at least 1/3 of the posts on r/all are from repost bots and copy pased comments from bots probably about the same. How can you be sure these numbers are are even from real users?
You clearly don't know your history.
@LoFi-Enchilada @dopethrone @stroller If they stop and leave Reddit, Reddit Inc loses. If they continue using it normally, well they can't because mods will delete their post. If Reddit Inc replaces the mods, it still loses because who will those mods be? Probably power-hungry Nazis. It may look good in the short term because there are mods but Reddit Inc will lose in the medium-to-long term.