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Hamas official says group aims to repeat Oct. 7 onslaught many times to destroy Israel
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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This is an important distinction in my opinion. Does the IDF care if they kill palestinian civilians? No. But they aren't actively trying to murder as many palestinian civilians as they can either.
Being so incredibly nonchalant about killing civilians as the IDF is it's almost an insignificant difference imo.
They aren't? So why did they bomb Jabalia twice?
Quick update, they bombed it a third time today
How should I know. What I do know however is that if the IDF wanted, they could kill many more Gazans.
Seriously look at their actions and decide for yourself whether or not they are going out of their way to kill civilians or whether they are so careless they kill anyone on their way
The idea that the IDF would have to beat Gaza into a pulp so we can finally admit to ourselves that they don't care about civilians is weak, not to mention a logical fallacy. This isn't the indication to look for when war crimes happen. It's the actions of the IDF themselves.
Just look at all the times Israel told civilians to move to one place them bombed the shit out of the place.
Maybe they just want plausible deniability more than they want immediate genocide. It sure looks to me like that's what they're doing, and that it's working.
Because Hamas has used it as a base for decades…
Just like every other piece of civilian infrastructure.
You say Jabalia like it hasn’t been a city since the 40s. It’s not some tent city. It’s a legitimate city that has been around for decades, which Hamas only took control of after 2007.
Yes totally, that is enough excuse to shoot dead over a hundred people and wound hundreds more.
Tents or not, you're basically saying Israel bombed a crowded area and I'm afraid they are losing this one in the media. 😊
It's a refugee camp because people who live there are more victims of Israeli displacement.
It’s not a refugee camp at all. It’s a city that has existed for almost a century.
You can cheer for Hamas. Your emojis don’t mean shit lol. Nobody else supports them. Even “the media” (you sound like my drug addicted religious dad here).
what a shill. no where did the above comment support Hammas.
First, I didn't cheer for Hamas.
Also, That area is still a refugee camp. You are confusing Jabalia city with the Jabalia refugee camp.. It's okay to be wrong, you just have to admit it to yourself.
And the very fact that somehow bombing people taking refuge in a city rather than a refigee camp is something you needed to point out as though that changes anything ... That's very telling.
And lastly, Israel is losing the media war. 😊 It's not sustainable to kill more people and get away with it, not when even holocaust historians are alarmed at the Israeli rhetoric and massacre it keeps committing on a daily basis.
Jabalia Refugee Camp was established in 1948.
It's not a temporary housing measure. The buildings are all high-density multi-family dwellings constructed from reinforced concrete.
Calling it a refugee camp cheapens the word for people who are displaced from their homes and forced into temporary housing during a war.
It's still a refugee camp. It houses refugees who have been displaced. Many Palestinian refugee camps are X number of years old because Israel has been ethnically cleansing them for decades. It doesn't matter how you define it, no one "made shit up", it's classed as a refugee camp. The UN set it up as a camp, but here comes some random regular jackoff on lemmy trying to tell us otherwise.
The audacity of pro-Israelis in twisting all international definitions is beyond me.
Again, the very fact that it's been a refugee camp for decades where people have shitty living conditions makes this bombing that Israel did worse, not better.
The people living in that camp were done dirty by the 1949 armistice, don't get me wrong. But it's been 75 years; they need to move on.
Palestinians are literally the only refugees on the planet who pass down refugee status to their children. That's based on the definition that the UN made up because the Arab countries didn't want to take in Palestinians.
They've had 75 years to move out of that camp and make their own lives better. At some point, they need wipe the snot off their noses and stop crying. The Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries faced adversity when they moved to Israel, but they've moved on and made their lives much better.
@steventhedev @snek Oh wait, I misspoke, the "Jews" of the 1940's didn't have a "historical" connection to the last, they only had a RELIGIOUS connection to the land. Religion doesn't convey physical property rights, so talk about making shit up.
It's called the right of return. That's what you get when you create an apartheid state that does ethnic cleansing for breakfast.
It's wonderful to see you agree that Arab Jews also have a right of return, and deserve reparations for their stolen assets during the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Muslim countries
EDIT: I'm trolling you with this comment, but I feel a little bad about it. Let's just agree to disagree and take the rest of the day to cool off
Of course they do. What happened during that time was wrong.
I think you mostly talk out of your ass, but that's okay.
@steventhedev @snek The Jews didn't "move on" , they literally created "Zionism" and STOLE land they had only a mere historical connection to. Your entire post was completely delusional
Jabalia refugee camp consists of an area that is 1,4 km^2^. It had a registered population of about 50 000 inhabitants in 2017, who knows how much these days. It's not exactly a small place, even if the term "refugee camp" might give that image.
So who knows. Perhaps they're just murdering civilians, or perhaps a place like that is a perfect breeding ground for extremism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabalia_refugee_camp
Exactly. Israel bombed a giant refugee camp. How is this helping Israel's case?
I dunno, as -- believe it or not -- I'm not part of IDF. But you can of course wonder: are they fighting a popularity war or an actual one?
Well, I, for one, hope that the IDF is finally fucking losing the popularity war. Until the US stops propping them up no matter what, they have no incentive to seriously work towards peace.
If they were fighting an actual war, then the leaders of Israel would be pulled into the ICC for war crimes.