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"Officials said that Israel and Egypt were prepared to let foreigners leave the Strip which is under heavy Israeli bombardment, but Hamas had refused."

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But what about the Egyptian side, is Israel in your opinion blocking that too?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel in your opinion blocking that too?

https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-bombs-southern-gaza

Despite urging Palestinians and others caught in Gaza to flee the northern areas, bombings that claimed the lives of yet more civilians—including children—were reported in Khan Younis and the city of Rafah.

The attacks came hours after the IDF's Rear Adm Daniel Hagari called on Gaza’s residents to move south "for your own safety."

Rafah is directly opposite the Egyptian border.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/egypt-s-hospitals-are-ready-to-treat-injured-gazans-but-the-border-is-closed/ar-AA1jasz8

While the Egyptian government has made clear that it refuses to accept large numbers of Palestinian refugees from Gaza, fearful of the political and security repercussions, it has ordered hospitals in northern Sinai and elsewhere to prepare to take in wounded patients from the enclave — as they have during past rounds of fighting. As Israel pummels besieged Gaza, Egypt resists opening up to refugees

“This border is open to take in any injured,” said Diaa Rashwan, head of Egypt’s State Information Service, at a news conference in front of the Rafah crossing Tuesday. He added that the World Health Organization has inspected “all the hospitals and medical facilities” but that “the occupying forces prevent the crossing from the Palestinian side” — a reference to Israel.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So no, Israel isn't blocking that

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Try crossing a bridge as a bomb lands on it.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have they bombed the bridge crossing?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are there articles about that? Because them bombing the border crossing would obviously be a clear thing of them causing the border to be partly blocked.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are there articles about that?

Yes.

Because them bombing the border crossing would obviously be a clear thing of them causing the border to be partly blocked.

I absolutely agree.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what part you meant since the article talks about how they can't flee not because of the bombing but because the border is closed by Egypt

Egypt has refused to open its doors to those fleeing Gaza — in part because it doesn’t want to be seen as aiding Israel’s forced displacement of Palestinians but also because it doesn’t want a massive refugee crisis within its borders.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The border isn't closed. Refugees have been crossing for days.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your article just said people can't get over because of Egypt

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My article said the crossing was being bombed a week ago, which you disputed.

Gaza residents have been crossing the border for the last three days.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought your claim was that they're not crossing because of the bombing, but in the article you linked they're saying they're still trying to cross and the the reason they're unable to is Egypt.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My claim was that they were being bombed at the crossing, which was killing people.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But the whole discussion is about who is blocking Gaza, Israel alone or Israel and Egypt

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bombing the crossing prevents crossings

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not per the article you posted and even the most recent news that are about how almost nobody can cross because Egypt isn't letting them through. They're trying, even with the bombing, but very very few are being let through. And that's according to the people trying to cross.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

The policy of the Netanhayu government is genocide and the events at the crossing are consistent with that policy.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No. Egypt is blocking that. Egypt is paid inordinate amounts of money by the US to do so.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No it isn't. Does it have to be? Do you think the Israeli government takes a neutral position on the Rafah border crossing? Israel is the primary prosecutor of this genocide. They are assisted and enabled largely by the US, which also dictates (client state) Egypt's policies in this regard.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

See first comment of this comment chain

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Egypt stopped allowing Palestinians to cross when refugee members of the Muslim Brotherhood (intimately tied to Hamas, and from which Hamas is an offshoot) co-opted the 2011 protests to seize control of the country.

Imagine how Egypt would look if their pro-democracy, pro-socialist revolution wasn't fucked by Hamas the same way Gaza has been.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The military runs Egypt, and they do what the US wants, which aligns with what Israel wants.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol everyone must kneel before the Great Satan

Jesus you guys are fuckin insane.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine pretending the US doesn't wield influence. I wonder if you also pretend that Russia determines US electoral outcomes, or that Iran keeps shitting our pants in the middle east.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The US definitely has influence. For instance, it flex that influence together Egypt to allow aid trucks through, and contribute aid of their own.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-egypt-commit-significant-acceleration-aid-gaza-2023-10-29/#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C%20Oct%2029%20(Reuters),Sunday%2C%20the%20White%20House%20said.