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"Officials said that Israel and Egypt were prepared to let foreigners leave the Strip which is under heavy Israeli bombardment, but Hamas had refused."

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[–] InisSieferI@kbin.social 53 points 1 year ago (75 children)

There's got to be a way to remove Hamas without killing everyone in Gaza. I hope the international community can come together to find a way. I definitely wouldn't leave it to Israel lol.

It probably involves with allying with the PLO or some more secular faction of Palestinians, and Egypt. But they'd need to give something to them or else no one has a reason to support them unless they have some victories they can point to.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (61 children)

As a retired Major-General explained on TV over here the other day, Hamas is a Insurrection Movement, which are made of 3 parts, the Political Side, the Military Side and Popular Support.

Want to destroy Hamas, destroy its popular support side.

The current indiscriminate bombing of Palestinians will never destroy it because not only does it increase the Popular Support for any Insurrection Movement against Israel, it also adds to the number of people who would join the military wing of such a movement (i.e. directly put their lives at risk), especially because for all the parroting of Israel's "human shields" propaganda, what the people there see is Israel choosing to bomb and kill their family, so even those who detest Hamas will detest Israel much much more and with good reason.

Unless Israel is willing to commit a Nazi-sized Genocide (which I suspect its current leadership would do if they thought they could get away with, hence their talk of a "second Nakba"), the solution will never be more violence.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel really going for a "If there's no witnesses, there's no problem" approach and killing everybody.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They're targetting and killing journalists (and were already doing so before this) and their families.

States murder journalists and their families has no other reason than to stop the truth from coming out, so taking out a couple of tens of thousand who they see as untermenschen to "tie up loose ends" is hardly going to weigh on their consciences.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

They’re targetting and killing journalists (and were already doing so before this) and their families.

Well, they ran out of MSF doctors to shoot.

[–] msage@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

To stop people from going to extreme lenghts, you need to give them something to lose.

Those people lost everything, of course they will fight by any means necessary

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We've learned that bombing only makes people more resolved to fight in every war in the 20th and 21st centuries. There's no reason it would change now. You can't bomb away ideas.

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[–] rengoku2@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

That popular support will never disappear, Hamas is using Muslim vs infidels agenda. You see, that works well to brainwash Muslims worldwide. At no point would they stop cursing Israel and Jew.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Underrated comment that everyone should read and understand.

[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

The Pro-Israel crowd will say it is all lies and Israel is really making good friends with all Palestinians then act all shocked that rockets keep flying from gaza at them. Bombing the shit out of Palestinians has worked SO well over the last many decades. Yet they figure 'we just didn't bomb hard enough' to make them like us!

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It shouldn't be left to Israel but nobody wants to do it, so we get this cluster fuck. Other surrounding nations can help and take in Palestinian refugees/stamp out Hamas, but the truth is that they don't actually care about Palestinians either.

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

but the truth is that they don’t actually care about Palestinians either.

They sure do. They care about keeping them in refugee camps, using Israel as a scapegoat for their own war crimes and other bullshit, refusing to let them work, often revoking their citizenship in the rare cases it's been granted! Heaven forbid a third-generation descendant of a Palestinian immigrant be allowed to work in Jordan, or own a permanent home.

[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

There’s got to be a way to remove Hamas without killing everyone in Gaza

Bibi isn't interested in that.

Netanyahu said “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 ‘Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass’," .

He's openly calling for genocide.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Not making their only other choice an Israeli puppet would be a great start. Hamas is reactionary. Getting rid of the abuse would go a long way to putting a cap on the reaction.

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