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Top Apple analyst says MacBook demand has fallen 'significantly'::A top Apple analyst said Wednesday that shipments for MacBook computers will decline around 30% year over year.

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[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The cause could be that they're lasting longer. Or it could be the fact that they're not repairable, don't support virtual machines or windows, have cut corners internally to increase profits margins and for the most part don't play games. The company I work for, previous the ARM CPU switch bought MacBooks exclusively and either ran windows in parallels or used boot camp. We can no longer do that to run any of the tools we use for machine programming or troubleshooting so we buy razer blade 15s now. That battery isn't as great but they're powerhouses and have awesome repairability.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Apple and repairability are two opposites. Am not convinced about lasting longer either. Gluing and soldering everything doesn't help with replacing parts, especially since they fought tooth and nail to ban independent repairs.

[–] HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Why can’t you run Parallels?

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I am not sure if you can not, but ARM doesn't come with hardware level virtualization features many of the solutions today depend on. VBox for example doesn't want to run until I enable those in BIOS. It's certainly is possible to emulate anything, but probably less efficiently.

This is hilariously wrong. I have run virtual machines on Apple Silicon myself. They literally built a virtualization framework for the product in question.

[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

We can use parallels, just not to run x86 windows.

[–] TryingToEscapeTarkov@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

For the same reason you can't run Windows 11 Pro on your phone. The chip architecture.

[–] virtualbriefcase@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

As weird as it sounds you can (with poor performance). With something like Limbo or Termux you can actually get Windows or any x86 OS running underneath Android on a phone.

Fun project maybe, but not really utilitarian though. Never used apple so can't actually report on how well their emulation and/or translation layer is working on Arm.

You can run Windows on Apple Silicon in a VM. These people are just wrong. Also Windows for ARM exists.

[–] HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

You might want to tell that to the people who make Parallels.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

You can run virtual machines on Apple Silicon. I have done it myself. Also Razer are known for bad reliability.

[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We've had no problems with them so far and the fact that they can be easily dusted and cleaned has made them more reliable than the MBPs we were using. In a dirty environment they fill with dust and don't live long.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah Apple products aren't exactly durable. Still I hope you have a service contract with razor.

[–] freeindv@monyet.cc -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can run virtual machines on Apple Silicon

You can, but with emulationb for anything needing x86 (like Windows). Which means it's slow and unusable

[–] areyouevenreal@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nope, they use Windows for ARM

[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right which still isn't the x86 version of windows that basically every vendor I've come across requires for tooling software and machine programming. It's okay to be wrong fan boy.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

My god you're calling me a fanboy long after I sold the only Apple device I owned. Like it's actually hilarious in how off the mark you are. It wasn't long ago I was getting downvoted on Reddit for suggesting someone not buy their girlfriend a macbook.

I am well aware of the compatibility issues, it's why I sold my M1 machine. The thing is you were specifically talking about Windows as an example of something that needs emulation, which it doesn't. It's specific applications that need "emulation", which isn't even a normal emulator. For macOS applications they mainly use static recompilation, and for Windows apps dynamic recompilation (dynarec) is used. Windows for ARM translation layer basically acts like a JIT compiler.

Apple's implementation is actually shockingly good because they built an x86 like memory coherency mode into the M family SoCs (specifically in the performance cores) and because they are using the static recompilation that I mentioned. Apps running in a Windows for ARM VM couldn't use that last time I owned a MacBook.