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How to respond to people with "bad" aspirations? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by TeezyZeezy@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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I've had this question for quite awhile but don't really know who to consult about it.

I've revealed that I'm a university-aged guy on here and so there's a lot of talk surrounding what people want to do with their lives. Naturally, I've gotten some less than desirable answers. I don't know how to go about responding.

For example, some people want to be cops or work for a three letter agency (I'm in the US). We can obviously see how that's not a good thing. I'm just torn on how I should respond. I'm not going to shit on these people, they're fundamentally good, just misinformed. But my morals cannot allow me in good faith to be like "oh cool yeah!"

How should I respond when someone wants to work for the oppressive state (assuming they're naive/ignorant about it and not like, openly fascist)

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[–] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As for being a cop, I think there is not much problem with it, it is important to separate the institution of the people on it, and furthermore, if everyone with left leaning thinking goes away from cops/army, the corps get more and more entrenched in liberal right wing thought. The average cop is a workforce person, there is value on going into those spaces and trying to make a change, even if slowly, I don't see it as a problem. As far as the 3 letter agencies, those are rougher, because there is no pretense there, you will be actually charged of fucking everybody for the sake of the state, so yeah, I can see very little opportunity to do good on those agencies, but being a cop and/or soldier I see the value. I do think that good people being cops are a good thing, it is a corrupt organization that serves to uphold the exploitation of the proletariat, sure, but can be a slightly less bad corrupt organization, with the right people occupying the right spots.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are no good cops in capitalist countries. The institution corrupts individuals, and well intentioned individuals cannot affect the change required. Their job is to be the boot of the empire. Police are used to protect capital and repress dissent. There is nothing good about participating in that.

There are no good soldiers or other military personell in capitalist militaries. Their job is to be the spear of the empire. They kill and destroy so the ruling class of the empire may profit. A well intentioned soldier cannot affect the change required.

I don't subscribe to the damage limitation or lesser evil argument here. The only way police and military can be made into forces for the people and not against the people is through a revolution.

[–] MatBC@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know about the no good cops thing, but I get the institution pressuring people, but I still think that good people in sufficient numbers can make the gears start grinding a little and making it less oppressive. I am fully aware that the police institution is the boot and cannot be reformed from the inside, but having good people there can be a way to diminish some harm, at least I believe that.

And about soldiers, if you look into the history of Venezuela when soldiers where sent to oppress some neighborhoods many soldiers including Hugo Chavez defected and started to defend the neighborhood, so I think that there is material evidence that things are not that cut and dried as you suggest.