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I like this approach. "funny meme" aside, I think it is a good way of showing how much a certain language can affect how other people think and feel about a subject. Just read it THAT way and "being neurotypical" suddenly sounds like a disorder that isn't fully compatible with the public, doesn't it?

We live in a world that isn't exactly kind to people on the spectrum. It is loud, flashy, hectic, overwhelming, unrewarding but you're still expected to work like a cog in a machine, despite having fewer and fewer places where you'd actually "fit in" without grinding gears, and whenever there is some sort of public talk about that topic, it always, always sounds like the affected person is the problem and personally responsible for fixing themselves, when a no small part of "not fitting in" is due to society itself. Maybe a change in language is due to remove that stigma.

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[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It literally is though. How would you define "neurodivergence" if not "everything which is not neurotypical"?

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

"Divergent" does not equal "opposite".

A turtle is different than a lizard, the two lineages "diverged" evolutionarily at some point. I could describe a lizard as a scaled, heterothermic, terrestrial organism. If I describe something as a scale-less, homeothermic, non-terrestrial organism, I'm not describing a turtle, I'm just describing a "non-lizard". Don't confuse "neurodivergent" with "anti-neurotypical", they're not the same thing.

By your logic, for a person to be considered "neurodivergent" they would have to be completely 100% unlike a neurotypical person in every single way, which is simply not the case.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're misreprenting what I'm saying.

  • "Neurodivergent" = "not neurotypical"

  • "Neurotypical" = "not neurodivergent"

They are antonyms. Note that I didn't say "a neurodivergent person cannot exhibit neurotypical traits" because that isn't true.

[–] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I understand what you're saying perfectly well. What you're saying is absolutely incorrect.

Neurodivergent =/= not neurotypical

Neurotypical =/= not neurodivergent

Each is defined by their own set of criteria and neither term is simply the antithesis of the other.

By your logic, for a person to be considered "neurodivergent" they would have to be completely 100% unlike a neurotypical person in every single way, which is simply not the case.

By that reading, would neurodivergent people even be human?

[–] Turun@feddit.de -2 points 1 year ago

Right, but the reptile parts are implicit. The average neurotypical and neurodivergent person is human, they all talk and walk, have five fingers, a normal physique, etc.

So if I describe a turtle as an aquatic reptile with flippers and a shell, then terrestrial reptile with normal legs and not having a shell does kinda describe a lizard.