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[–] Guydht@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (52 children)

So many empty hateful comments here miss the fact that 70 years ago was 70 years ago, and since then a whole new generation of people are living in the region. Israelies who don't feel obligated to have Israel but don't want anti-Semitism abroad, and palestinians who don't mind staying where they were born, inside the 48 borders, but want a decent live inside of it. No leader from any place on earth is working towards them. Israeli leaders want the whole country for themselves, and Palestinian leaders also want the whole land for themselves. Neither is plausible without serious loss of life. So stop being so one-sided and actually acknowledge there are two sides to this conflict, and that all parties are reaponsible. Israel would give anything in the world to have peaceful rulers in Gaza.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (27 children)

So stop being so one-sided and actually acknowledge there are two sides to this conflict, and that all parties are reaponsible.

I find comments like this frustrating.

There may be two sides, but there's only one side with an actual military and nukes and only one side running an apartheid. The only reason people aren't referring to Israel as a terrorist state (which they are) is that they're destroying hospitals with bombs dropped from planes and shooting news reporters with guns held by soldiers in military uniforms.

The other side has no military, has been blockaded for sixteen years, is terrorized and killed at will without recourse, and isn't actually allowed to leave.

What makes Israel the criminal here is the power they wield and how they've chosen to use it.

So sure, yeah, there are two sides, yes, but the two sides are very, very different.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (10 children)

You could have said the same thing 70 years ago about the leader if mandatory Palestine who was appointed by the British colonizers and collaborated with Nazis, and that a group like Irgun bravely fought against them. The same Irgun that carried out the Deir Yassin massacre.

What Israel's government is doing is wrong, and they should pay for it. And Israel should pay reparations. But the majority of Israeli's, Palestinians, and American Jews and Muslims just want peace man. This whole thing about who colonized who is silly.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

But we live today, not 70 years ago.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 2 points 11 months ago

Lol today is the result of 70 years ago. Actions don't just stop affecting people's lives because they happened a long time ago. We couldn't possibly live or do anything if we thought that way.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes, Israel has responsibility to pay reparations. I have fought for that tirelessly in many ways. I just don't like being called a colonizers when I have never even been there.

[–] Satelllliiiiiiiteeee@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just don’t like being called a colonizers

Then don't support colonizers. It's pretty easy.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Read through my post history where I have repeatedly condemned the Israeli govt. And then let me know if you think I "support colonizers".

I'm very frustrated that leftists can't frame evil in the world as anything other than the "forces of colonization". It's a very complete and utter misunderstanding of world history and politics.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

This whole thing about who colonized who is silly.

This should be whom. Better luck next time!

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