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For those late to the party, this is a day old already. The drivers have been pulled, pending an update.
And users can probably get their ban reversed but afaik Valve is waiting on AMD for a comment/fix.
Bans should come with refunds, especially in these cases where it’s clearly nothing on the player. Companies should not be able to ban you from a service for such “violations”. And even legit bans should always require a full refund.
Bans should definitely not come with refunds.
It's also not on Valve. If you inject code in an actual competitive multiplayer game, you deserve to be banned. The fact that your hardware manufacturer elected to do so means Valve is going to change it, but they didn't do anything wrong, and their tools didn't fail.
Valve is giving back 100% of the CS2 purchase price to banned players, don't work
That’s the thing, you’re not injecting code here; there is no malicious intent. And companies can ban on a whim with zero recourse. Like they have with a legitimate program from a legitimate manufacturer.
It’s one thing if you have an Aim Bot, another if some setting somewhere is bugged or the developer made a change unbeknownst to users.
How y’all defend big business to give you zero rights with your paid accounts, off paid products, with zero legal recourse. The EULAs basically state they can ban your account Willy Nilly. And everyone is like “geee, that sounds grand, here’s my cash.”
Yes, AMD is. They intercepted CS's code and changed it. This is universally not permissible in competitive games, and by definition cannot be legitimate software. It doesn't matter who shipped it. It was an insane decision by AMD.
Cheaters being refunded is a giant "fuck you" to every other player who's ever touched the game. I don't even sort of give a shit about the company's money. Cheaters deserve to be punished for their cheating. If companies were allowed to fine them many times the price of the game, too, gaming would be a far better place.
I love how y’all are like in the camp of the megacorp that gives zero fucks about you, treats you like shit with loot boxes, cripples games, betas as finals, etc. but you still cling to like they your bestie 🤷♂️
Also LOL saying that their antilag feature was actually “cheating”.
You do understand that false positives exist and are actively checked by Valve and that refunding actual hackers only incentivizes them to keep doing it? Plus CS2 is free so and it seems odd to refund just cosmetics.
Regardless of what "actually cheating" is the fact of the matter is that the antilag feature interacted with .dll files which is extremely common for hacks, so any unknown tampering with those is going to get flagged to prevent possible cheating. False positives are rare and truly unaffected players are free to reach out and get those overturned.
Not really sure what the issue is. Cheaters are annoying as hell and a driver update that changes how something interacts should be run past developers. This feature also affected EAC and Ricochet (CoD's anti-cheat).
But yeah, say more on how Valve is totally 100% to blame here. Uh huh.