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‘A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags (web.archive.org)

submitted 1 year ago by 0x815@feddit.de to c/news@beehaw.org

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In 2015, many liberal residents in Hamtramck, Michigan, celebrated as their city became the first in the United States to elect a Muslim-majority city council. They viewed the power shift and diversity as a meaningful rebuke of the Islamophobic rhetoric of then Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s campaign. This week many of those same residents watched in dismay as a now fully Muslim and socially conservative city council passed legislation banning Pride flags from being flown on city property that had – like many others being flown around the country – been intended to celebrate the LGBTQ+ community.

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[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on the ideology.

[–] longshaden@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

also depends on the religion.

[–] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I honestly can't think of a single organised religion that hasn't had atrocities committed in its name (or encouraged adherents to commit atrocities). A lot of unorganised religions and spiritualities also encourage/require some abhorrent shit too, such as genital mutilation or the use of human body parts in certain folk magics.

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I honestly can’t think of a single organised religion that hasn’t had atrocities committed in its name (or encouraged adherents to commit atrocities).

it's just flatly true of religions and ideologies. there are bad people who adhere to everything—you can't avoid that, so it just doesn't make sense to really analyze it from this dimension. if you want to make a useful critique of either i think you have to actually weigh the scope and scale of the atrocities somehow.

[–] Pegatron@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unitarian Universalists. Quakers. Zen Buddhists probably?

[–] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Quakers invented solitary confinement which isn't quite a war crime but it's not exactly great.

[–] longshaden@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

By this logic, it only takes one bad apple to spoil the name of a group, but that bad apple isn't necessarily representative of or indicative of the whole group.

sure, we could argue about who's bad apples are more rotten, but what's the point? humans are fallen and imperfect, so it's no surprise that groups of humans are also imperfect.

I guess the next question to ask, is the group defined by the actions of it's bad apples, or by the principles it claims to stand for?