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[–] FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (38 children)

I mean... I'm a capitalist who doesn't defend billionaires and also doesn't feel left out... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[–] gayhitler420@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Are you though?

Do you own the means of production and employ people to operate it, paying them a fraction of the value their labor produces?

Are you able to live comfortably without working for the foreseeable future? Do you exert outsized control over municipal, regional and state government far beyond your “vote” if you live in a place that claims to be a democracy? Does that control come from your power over the means of production that you control?

Supporting a society controlled by the people described above does not make you a capitalist, being one of the people described above does.

[–] dafo@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I do not agree with you, gayhitler420. That sounds as polarized as US politics.

[–] UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Does lemmy.ml/c/rimjob_steve exist yet?

Edit: nope :(

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Are you able to live comfortably without working for the foreseeable future?

I'm pretty sure that's just a strawman version of capitalism. Plenty of capitalists who had their life's work taken during a communist revolution and were at best told they could come back as a manager worked plenty hard. Didn't save them.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No, capitalism is the system that creates this. Capitalists are the ones living comfortably at the top of their piles of money while we work to make them that money.

And yes being a capitalist didn't save them from having to work like everyone else, boohoo evil commulism.

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[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago (52 children)

If you support capitalism, then yes, you defend billionaires.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Capitalism is what allows billionaires to exist. If you are pro-capitalism, you are pro-billionaires. They are the real capitalists because the are the ones with real capital (and capital = power).

Even if you support better worker pay, trans rights, healthcare or what have you, you are just asking big money for it, not actually taking it. They are the ones deciding in the end.

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