Irs not complicated. You are directly stating that the Israelis have to do genocide because its unrealistic that they don't, and then asking us to think of the poor innocent israelis who may have to not live in a stolen home if they stop doing genocide.

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

what of the poor Germans who moved into the homes seized from Jews where would they go if we gave those homes back

[–] Sinister@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Besides the vast majority of Israelis didn’t come from Germany anyways, so there shouldn’t be as much of a displacement.

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

I was actually just comparing what Israel is doing now to a policy of nazi Germany regarding racial redistribution of property

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The vast majority of Israeli's were born there at this point.

It's not a stolen home to them. It's the only home they've ever known.

[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They can move, you racist genocidal freak

And if somehow we have to accept that we can't move any of them, they can stop preventing the Palestinians from moving home.

[–] valaramech@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Israeli settlers have, for years now, been slowly encroaching into territory officially recognized as Palestinian lands. These people absolutely have the choice to move back out of those areas and into lands officially recognized as belonging to Israelis. On the other hand, very few people can "just move, lol" and I wouldn't be surprised if Israel specifically chose settlers that would be burdened economically if they attempted to leave.

To be clear, Israel has continuously acted in bad faith against Palestinians and, along with its allies, destroyed the peaceful (or, at least, less militant) groups that sought to unite the Palestinians. This is absolutely a problem of their own making and I would be surprised if there was a peaceful path forward with the current political climate in the region.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If I steal 2 million dollars from you and hang on to it until I have children and give it to them, is that their money or is it still stolen?

[–] loobkoob@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

This is where it gets tricky and a lot of nuance is lost, I think. There reaches a certain point where it stops being zero-sum because two or more parties can each have an entirely independent and valid claim.

In your example, if you pass the money to your children, they reach 40 years old, spending the money they believe is theirs, and then suddenly they're told they owe $2M they don't have for something they didn't do, that's not fair on them. Have they benefitted from the $2M? Absolutely. Is it fair that they benefitted while the person/people you stole it from suffered? Absolutely not. But your children didn't do anything to deserve punishment.

Now I'm generally fairly anti-Israel, and have been for years, so don't take this as me being an apologist for colonisers. But for someone who has lived all their life in Israel - whose great-grandparents were colonisers - Israel is home and they feel they have just as much right to it as the people it was stolen from 80 years ago. The longer these conflicts go on, the more difficult it is to come up with a fair solution on a human level.

Israel is definitely in the wrong, though. It's very clearly not fair from a Palestinian perspective. But no matter how you try to divide up the land now, there will be innocent people who suffer for it. There's no easy solution to it, unfortunately. It's more complex than just "give it back".