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This and war in Ukraine have made me realize how exactly the holocaust happened. When I was little I was always so confused as to how something so horrible could’ve happened, but history is repeating itself and it’s not so surprising anymore.

What I am still shocked about is how so many people, seemingly good people, become blood thirsty so goddamn fast but it does prove how the holocaust came to be, and the fact that nobody can see how it’s happening again is truly astonishing.

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[–] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I agree, the way I see it everyone now is just being honest about who they are so at least the sides are clear. Ever since the Ukraine conflict, it's been clear that western libs won't ever see certain people as equal and human.

Libs should thank the Palestinians, they don't have to fight the urge to be racist anymore. They can just call them vermin in polite society now.

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My hope is mainly that while the west is hurtling towards mania the west is also actively mismanaged and having its influence decline.

China are the rising power and they seem a calming influence

[–] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yep, that's it. And when the west devolves into fascism, it's up to its people to fight it.

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not convinced that they won't just kill us for trying. As lenin pointed out in state and revolution the revolutionary potential of a country is hampered by state security forces and the west has a lot of that and a lot of surveilance.

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Bolsheviks did it where it was literally illegal and there were constant gendarme raids. We’ve got a shot, the western left’s just in pitiful disarray on average right now. We have it easier in many ways we just have to be strategic and build dual power. The Palestinians avoided mossad intelligence we can do similar here.

The Russian state was under strain from their use of feudalism, WW1 and the famines. It was a different situation

It is important to consider what you are up against. The western left's disarray is also linked to CIA funding to our more contentious tendencies as well

[–] TeezyZeezy@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Oh, they will, no doubt. But I'm in it for the long haul at this point. No turning back.

Sure. They've got one of the most advanced and powerful military and surveillance states to ever exist. But that does not mean they are invincible. To me it is not a matter of if we can take them down once we have the organization. That seems quite likely. To me the hard part is if we can get that organization in the first place, given our less than empathetic, less than determined, less than intelligent population. Not to dehumanize, just saying, lots of Americans are clearly really dumb.

We're very close to that fascism we speak of being applied broadly to every working class citizen and not just the minorities as it is now. That means it's time to get to work, and to be prepared for a very bumpy, painful, and potentially liberating ride.

I know we can do this.

[–] SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Gonna be honest, I myself feel super unprepared physically speaking.

Classical track of: their leadership and military is evil -> hate government not the people -> atrocity propaganda -> they all support their evil leaders -> dehumanisation -> kill them all

In case of Ukraine war they went from zero to Hitler in like 3 months, now they did it in 3 days.

[–] rubpoll@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well at least that's one less contradiction