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If Ukraine is able to replace or recover damaged vehicles why is Zelensky still asking for more tanks (in Switzerland right now)? I thought the sanctions were going to trigger massive inflation and unrest in the Russian economy and their desire to support the war would disappear. I thought the Russians were out of ammunition last year and now they're bombing relentlessly. I though their morale was so low they were going to capitulate when this attack happened, yet their first main line of defensive trenches hasn't yet been touched. If Ukraine morale is high and Russian morale is low why are Ukrainians surrendering or refusing to fight on the front lines?

Austin told us all that he had high expectations for the counter-offensive two days before the Pentagon leaks revealed there were actually low expectations. Why believe the boy who already cried wolf, especially when his words don't align with reality? There's been too much lying. The war is costing too much in terms of tax payer dollars and Ukrainian lives. This Biden administration is stuck is a sunk cost fallacy and needs to stop.

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[–] andrai@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the Russian soldier wants to survive he can just surrender or go home (although he might get shot by their own men).

If the Ukrainian wants to survive, he has to drive the Russians out of his country.

And you are right, I do not care whether the invaders survive or not. They decide to invade their peaceful neighbour to murder and rape the civilian population. Have you all forgotten Bucha already? I have not, and there are hundreds of Buchas in the occupied territories.

Are you seriously telling Ukraine they should just let the Russians genocide and rape them in peace instead of fighting for their survival? That's a sickening take.

[–] 133arc585@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If the Russian soldier wants to survive he can just surrender or go home (although he might get shot by their own men).

If the Ukrainian wants to survive, he has to drive the Russians out of his country.

This is nonsense. Russia has not set out to kill every Ukranian. If the Ukranians stopped fighting back, Russia wouldn't kill them all, they'd stop killing them in fact. I don't understand how you think this is one-sided. As long as Ukraine is fighting back, they're contributing to the loss of their own lives.

Are you seriously telling Ukraine they should just let the Russians genocide and rape them

Again, you're acting like the goal is to genocide the Ukranian people. There's literally nothing to indicate this.

I'll say it once more simply, but I doubt you care about logical consistency: Both Ukraine and Russia can end this war by stopping putting anything in to continuing it; as long as a party is continuing, and not stopping the war, that party is in part responsible for the loss of more human lives.

[–] andrai@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

"Yes your Honor, it's her fault I'm raping her. If she'd just consented I wouldn't have to rape her!"

Do you even listen to yourself?

[–] automaton@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

So you are basically saying that it's Ukrainians' fault that so many Russian lives are ended, because they could just stop fighting.

And tell me, do you think Russia would ever stop attacking neighboring and sovereign countries, if this was the expected reaction?

What are you, 6 years old?

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