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[–] superkret@lemmy.ml 64 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Ah yes, because making drugs illegal has worked so well in the past.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Setting age limits on substance use is a little different from criminalizing possession/use

In the case of smoking, it has helped reduce rates

[–] betwixthewires@lemmy.basedcount.com 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But this isn't am age limit, its using an age limit as a hack to basically grandfather in a smoking ban. It is about finding the right approach, and this ain't it.

[–] RazorsLedge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] betwixthewires@lemmy.basedcount.com 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For the same reason prohibition of alcohol didn't work, for the same reason the drug war didn't work, for the same reason prescription requirements for medically useful narcotics doesn't work. It doesn't matter what the law is, people will make their own choices, and if the things are available, legally or not, people that want to use them will use them.

Look at the US. For all it's faults, it has handled smoking very very well. The younger generation basically doesn't smoke cigarettes. They're not banned from it for life, they just were informed about it and so they find it disgusting and don't really do it. You can't even really get a date anymore with someone if you smoke cigarettes and you're under like 40.

[–] Risk@feddit.uk -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whilst I agree with you in that I don't think this is an optimal approach, at the same time I'm curious as to whether this would create a significant black market for cigarettes.

Anybody already addicted will continue to have access. Anyone not addicted has to overcome the barrier of acquiring it illicitly, which works in tandem with education about the harm it does.

Considering how bulky cigarettes are compared to most other drugs, I wonder whether most dealers would carry around loads of cigarettes - particularly if they'd be at risk of being prosecuted for having them (which I don't think is the case here, though).

However, it would probably increase the rate at which weed is cut with tobacco as it increases the addictiveness and ensures customer dependency for the dealers.

[–] Dontfearthereaper123@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I got my first cigarette from a uda (local gang) dealer. So yes there would be a black market for cigs

[–] RazorsLedge@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Making things easily available increases their rates of use

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28850065/

ASH surveys showed a rise in the prevalence of ever use of e-cigarettes from 7% (2016) to 11% (2017) but prevalence of regular use did not change remaining at 1%. In summary, surveys across the UK show a consistent pattern: most e-cigarette experimentation does not turn into regular use, and levels of regular use in young people who have never smoked remain very low.

Except it doesn't. Vapes are super easy for kids to get, yet somehow they don't stick with it.

[–] RazorsLedge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/7995/CDC-reports-confirm-benefits-of-raising-tobacco?autologincheck=redirected

reports from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found people who started smoking before age 21 are more likely to have a high nicotine dependence, and raising the age to buy tobacco to 21 impacts the sale of such products.

found average monthly cigarette sales in Hawaii dropped about 4.4% following the new law. California sales declined 11.7%, and mainland sales dropped 10.6%.

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