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Oh please not another threat about
what is best ... or what should I use xyz. There is no best. Stop spreading Mint is beginner distro, almost every other distro can be beginner distro too. Also some hardware and configuration works better or worse on Distro + Kernel xyz. There is no generalization, just try and see how it acts for your configuration.
Down-vote for wasting our time because if you need other people to tell you, what you like then Linux is not for you.
I like blue better than red .... btw, as useful as this entire thread here.
Boot into VM is probably not the right advice for a newbie like op
Flashing a live-USB is easy and thé same process than thé install.
live usb is barremetal and op wanted touchscreen support, not sure a VM will providd a good expérience to maje this work
Yeah it is up to a debate + how experienced the user actually is. But there are basically VMs that work in Browser like DistroTester. However I agree that you might need to be aware of this + this might be tricky anyway. Touchscreen support is often critical, even for mentioned distros in this thread, at the end you usually need to do some testing yourself so or so.
The problem which I have with such threads here in general is that you end-up to test things for yourself anyway because we do not know the exact configuration and how the chosen Distro, or the tested VM reacts. I do not see why we shall support spoon-feeding, when all of those questions are answered many many many many times already and you anyway end-up with testing it yourself.
It's worth it to reduce the field of possibility. But I agree nothing beat trying it out yourself and iv'e been distro hopping for several years before understanding what I wanted as a DE and os.
My bad dude, didn't mean to offend. Got an i5 with 4gb ram, don't know if can VM, iirc you need ok hardware to reliably run, but again, don't know. Would like input from people who know shit, for instance I asked a friend and that is how I knew Mint didn't support touch, instead of "try mint, no touch, try manjaro, no touch, try arch, no touch, hey fedora got it." Sue me. At least I can cut out "No's" easier even if I must take up space in your precious eyes with my questions. Fuck "your good will," you have none, these other people were nice, don't speak of what you have not exhibited. Spare me your tears, go on hxclinuxforum if you need hxclinuxusers, this is lemmy my guy, cool your jets, restrict posts if you don't want questions. "Down vote" oh no pwees sir, don't downvote me owo. Idgaf my guy, thankfully other people helped and you were ununnecessary. "Tell me what I like" fuck off dude, you may have the time and resources to dick around with this shit all day but some of us have jobs and lives, and recognize the benefit of experienced advice. Also it's all about green or purple you fucking pleb.
4gb ram probably isn't enough for virtualization, but with those specs you should be fine with Fedora and Gnome desktop.
Fedora you can do all the basics without command line and it should be fairly intuitive. You will want to learn command line eventually - it makes certain tasks much easier and faster
Awesome thanks! Yeah I definitely want to learn to use the CLI (did I use that right? Lol) it seems very handy after you know what you're doing! The only time I have used it as of yet was to give myself admin permissions to change my password on tails lol.
Apparently the issue is not the Distro, the issue here in this case is the touch-pad driver. This is known to be a problematic topic in the Linux Kernel. There exist some alternative touchpad drivers you can manually install. The reason they do not come with several popular Distro is that they are not well maintained and can cause additional problems.
Laziness and spoon-feeding others is not really an excuse because all of this is nothing new. Just randomly guessing a distro until it works has no learning effect for us as reader or for those who want to help and als not for you. Others who just read .. oh hey Fedora works, do not learn why and how they can fix their own distro to make it work.
See, THAT is useful, thank you.
Hey, then maybe they should post, with specifics about what they need to run, and see if anyone has advice regarding similar hardware. You suggested I "search" and presumably find a thread and see "oh hey mint works" and not learn why and how I coukd fix my own to make it work, and then you've used it here as some sort of "gotcha." So should I ask for specific advice or should I search and see what worked for others? Which piece of your directly contradicting advice should I follow? And seems so, because nobody asked you to be rude which prompted my rude response. I believe you'll find I got along fine with everyone BUT you in this thread, so I'm gonna go with my theory of I was abusing you because you were a dick and deserved it. We can be cool if you wanna be cool though but I see the snarky unnecessary bullshit continues so far.
You've never once asked a question on a forum? Yeah I believe that, sure lol.
"Oooohhhh society, muh linux sublemmy!" Cry harder lol, is this really worth removed (insert explitive for complaining) about? I'm gonna make sure to ask ALL my questions here just to spite you.
True, and I appreciate THEIR help in narrowing down the first one I will try.
You were indeed rude, whether or not you see that is irrelevant. I was ruder, because I am better at it when instigated. You were insanely condescending and dismissive, as well as sardonic, that is rude even if you lack the social skills to tell. Idgaf about your answer, it would have been better had your "blue" ass not posted at all frankly.
"Report back" to what? The post you are saying I shouldn't have made? The guy saying "fedora will probably support touch with GNOME especially since you said it works on tails" definitely helped me whether you want that to be true or not, sorry guy. Before the other guy told me what DEs were I didn't know they existed (though I had heard the word GNOME in the context of linux before) so I learned a lot despite your protests.
Power use your own butthole, I don't care about you, and the internet isn't your personal thing, other people get to use it too, sorry.
Claiming I would be rude, insulting me like 3 times already. Hope we are done now with off-topic or you want to continue humiliating yourself with your nonsense.
Never seen such aggressive discussion because people refuse to do, explore or report their findings back, instead they insist in getting spoon-feeded. Beyond anything.
Thanks, the second useful thing you've said so far, I'll check it out! But to answer your question, with the comments you unnecessarily made to complain about people asking questions.
Sure bud whatever you have to tell yourself. Need some ointment for your butthurt because "someone made a post you don't like?" Ask an adult to pop that safety cap on it for ya. Btw it isn't due to my competence or lack thereof which has you being insulted, it's the fact that you are a dick and now I'm having fun at your expense.
Well, helped me more than you have so far, so deal with it. I'm dubious if your claim though being that they all seemed to offer better advice on terms, what DEs are more likely to fit my needs than others, what DEs even are, the fact that you can live boot Fedora (which you can't easily do with mint though supposedly it can be done), I learned a lot. YOU may not have because you're a mega 1337 haXXor, Crash Override, but for someone who is figuratively day one (maybe day two) into this shit it was indeed helpful.
You can express your opinion without being rude, which again, you were, by being condescending, dismissive and sardonic. Do you know what those words mean?
My intolerance is for condescending pricks dude, your opinion is worthless if it comes at the price of having to deal with your "I'm better than you" attitude, get off your high horse dude, though you'll probably need a ladder way up there.
I did get that, but with some it seems to work "out of the box" like tails and supposedly fedora, whereas some require MORE EXPERIENCE which is the exact thing I do not have, so again I fall back to the reccomendations you are mad I got.
Again, I told you I am better at being rude when instigated, which you did, because again, being a condescending prick IS rude, which you did. Also I'm damn proud of that line lol, you know it was funny. "I'm a power user, look ma, I'm so badass with linux!" Lol.
Again with this "report back" shit. First of all, to the post you say I shouldn't have made? You just BURNING to know if touch worked off dick in fedora for me? Well second of all you'll have to wait until I actually can get around to DOING it before I can report back because I had shit to do today and work for the rest of the week, again not everyone can sit around hacking into Ellingson Mineral Company supercomputers all day, some people have to leave their parent's house sometimes Cereal Killer.
It is not about questions, it is about that we have those questions a million times already answered on the internet.
Ask an adult how to work with a wrench, he will not tell you use xyz or you guess until it fits. You need to learn the skill to observe, test and research yourself. With is the lesson you refuse to accept. Instead you want others doing the work for you, getting the result or in this case the correct wrench. This is not how a community is supposed to work and if I confront you with that you insult me. Making things up like that I am rude, when its the opposite. Maybe observe what you said here, and what I said, rethink about the statements you did here again.
All of your words, not mine, the one who insults others is you, which means you are the one who is intentional rude here because you cannot handle valid input.
I never claimed that, never made this about me. Just said you could use a VM and use it for yourself, instead you now waste my and your own lifetime making things up. Which only humiliates you, not me. You do this all by yourself. And it shows that power-users like me should never help unthankful people like you, if that is what you want. Alrightly.
First you said you have no time, now you argue constantly about your incompetence and try to even explain that, which makes it even more sad. Instead of just accepting it, using the feedback I and others gave you.
I said you can research yourself, not sure what is there not to understand. I burn nothing here, this is once again you making things up now.
Hope we are finished now. If you do not like my input on things, there is a block function, feel free to use that.
If I look up "how to use a wrench" on youtube I get tutorials, they probably, now, I have not confirmed this, but they probably don't say "The first step in how to use a wrench is to figure it the fuck out yourself." I could test that theory but I think we both know I am right. This also is more analagous to needing to do plumbing but not knowing what a crescent wrench is called, I am asking "what tool will do the job I need," not "how do you use linux." Nobody is "doing the job for me" they are saying "you're gonna want a crescent wrench (gnome) probably X size (fedora) but it might be other sizes so measure (live boot and function test)." This IS doing research, asking people who know what their talking about is a viable method of learning, deal with it. That is EXACTLY how a community is supposed to work, people helping people, you don't want a community, you want a bulletin board you can post articles on, there is enough internet for the both of us man. I insult you, albeit much more harshly, because you did it to me by being condescending (you really should look that word up ya know. And I can do it too!) And I refuse to accept it because you don't know how to communicate without being condescending and therefore you get my response to condescension. Again, compare my response to you to my response to EVERYONE else here, why are you the only one I treat this way? Is it possibly because they weren't assholes? Yes. Maybe rethink YOUR gatekeeping, I won't think about you at all after this lol. Again, yea, I am meaner than you when it is summoned up from the depths by comdescending chants, sorry you started shit you weren't ready for but that is hardly my fault. Oh wait yes it is of course because I made the post you want to complain about so I'm sure that is why you blame me instead of having scrolled right on by and avoided this whole mess. You did this to yourself.
"I was rude first but you are being rude now and I am sad about it." I do not care. Your "valid input" is that you like a color that is lame anyway. Thanks for that valuable advice.
Yes you did power user, I am using that hyperbole to further make fun of you. Oh shit he said it again hahaha. You got your powerglove on my guy? Such cool. But no, "people like you" should absolutely not try to "help" people, leave that to those who can do so without snobbery like everyone else in this thread. You btw have singlehandedly cemented my will to post any inane question I have here going foward BEFORE I google or ask anyone else just because I know it gets your goat. Your VM suggestion was dumb anyway because one of the helpful people already mentioned you can live boot it and I would rather do that.
I fail to see how having little time to dick around trying thirty distros precludes me from having limited experience with linux so far, seemingly those two things could even be correlated one might say. I will indeed be using the feedback the OTHERS gave me, as you have given me none besides that arch forum to check out but since that was what a half hour ago, sorry I haven't gotten around to that your highness. But unfortunately even the rest of the advice was given not even a full 24hr ago, why you rushing me? Why are you so invested in this? Are things going ok at home?
Oh no you WISH I'd block you but instead (after a few hours of being offline, forgive me, again, life) I will continue to respond as you do. You can however not respond to this and I won't hunt you down, you don't even need to block me.
Or you know "hey I'm sorry I was being condescending originally, I am a super cool xXpower userXx and sometimes I forget how it feels to be starting out with linux especially with the toxic community that acts exactly like I do. We got off on the wrong foot, but heres some resources you can use to further your foray into linux."
No? Wishful thinking I guess.
Ok, people are helping. But we're not here to serve you.
And I have been very nice to anyone who did help, the comment chain you replied to is just me trolling that guy above for being an asshole, sorry.
Still arguing without anything. Nice man.
Actually due to my religion I have a devine excuse of fallability through "Bob" but that is neither here nor there. What is here and there is you being a jerk to new people to feel superior because they made a post on your precious sublemmy. Hope it works because that is the only way you will lol.
Btw if you want a sublemmy that doesn't allow questions, start one called advancedlinux or some shit and be a mod, then you can control it. Or start one called like "linuxnoobs" where all questions should be directed. Idk if lemmy has an automod but if so it can reply to threads like this with the link. Just complaining that I asked for advice instead of trial and error through countless distros is pretty lame my dude, if it really is THIS important that you need to fight a guy over it, fucking do something then, be the change you want to see in this world not just some negative nancy lamenting about this or that post.
Edit: Nothing? Figures. Miss you boo <3. Thanks for the lesson on how NOT to treat people asking for advice when I learn enough to be in your shoes, though. Instead of being an insufferable prick I will offer a few distros that should suit their needs but also calmly and respectfully explain that some trial and error may be necessary to get it working right, and inform them of what forums and whatnot I used to help learn along the way. You wanna talk about something I know more than you about so you can see how it feels? Guarantee I know more about music, classic cinema, and firearms than you do 100%, out of that list which do you know the least about so I can be a dick like you and treat you like you're less than I am for no good reason (as opposed to the good reason I already have to be a dick back to you.)
praise Bob