Edit: I understand why employers do this, but the fact is they DO do it, and denying tips isn't going to make employers pay their workers more money. They only understand money, not sympathy, and all you're doing is taking away the employees' money, not theirs. If it's not hurting them, they're not going to raise wages because they simply don't care.

So while one stands there refusing to tip out of a (not entirely incorrect) philosophical viewpoint, those workers reliant on tips will be starving because without said tips they can't afford rent let alone food.

In other words, I agree with the general logic behind the conclusion but not the specific logic.

TL;DR:

Making the employers pay the employees more money? Great!

Attempting to do it by hurting the employees but not the employer? Not so great!

[–] PM_ME_FEET_PICS@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

Tips are an unnecessary evil.

[–] auraness@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't make excuses for employers and shift the blame to customers. Missing out on W2 wages means that you are not going to have any social security in retirement unless you actually declare all your tips.

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I wasn't. Read the edit.

[–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I worked in food service and retail for a long time, not tipped. The idea that I have to leave a tip for putting my stuff in a bag and handing it to me is ludicrous to me. Employers can pay less because they can tell new hires they get tips.

Business owners need to pay their damn employees and stop using the registers to beg customers for more money.

[–] beyondthegrave@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Business owners need to pay their damn employees and stop using the registers to beg customers for more money.

And how exactly are you getting that message across by stiffing your fellow workers? Business owner makes the same money regardless.

I always tip. Not because the service was good or whatever. No one should have to earn a living being a circus monkey. Everyone deserves dignity at work. And everyone deserves a living wage.

By not supporting the worker, you're playing into the game set up ny business owners and CEOs which is to foster an environment of in-fighting of the working class so they can continue to hoard wealth they don't need.

So yeah, I'll always tip and then I give grief to the owner to pay their employees as you say. Because it's them who sets up that worker-on-worker fight club because that's where the grief needs to go. Not the person trying to live on meager wages and deal with shitty customers.

[–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And this, folks, is why tipping culture continues to get worse.

[–] beyondthegrave@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Tipping culture" is a very reductive way to describe a living wage, but sure. Go you.

[–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Tipping culture and living wage are not the same thing at all. It's the owner's responsibility to pay a living wage.

Plenty of places, even in retail and food service, pay a living wage without resorting to using the registers to beg.

[–] Shush@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago

So yeah, I'll always tip and then I give grief to the owner to pay their employees as you say

Why would they pay their employees, if you are doing exactly what they want you? You always tip, so they always don't have to pay it out of their own pockets.

I'm sure the owners keep saying "yes I'm so sorry I'll consider it" and once they're out of your sight they grin and think of it not a second more.