this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2023
50 points (100.0% liked)

Gaming

30526 readers
221 users here now

From video gaming to card games and stuff in between, if it's gaming you can probably discuss it here!

Please Note: Gaming memes are permitted to be posted on Meme Mondays, but will otherwise be removed in an effort to allow other discussions to take place.

See also Gaming's sister community Tabletop Gaming.


This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What evidence do you have that AAA’s are a bursting bubble?

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I agree with that person as long as we're continuing to use the qualifier "if anything". AAA studios have thoroughly undiversified themselves and are looking for buyers from the few other companies wealthy enough to afford them, hence Activision's and Zenimax's sales to Microsoft. EA, Square Enix, and Ubisoft were all looking for buyers, and it wouldn't surprise me if Take Two was as well. EA's got sports and Battlefield and little else. Square Enix has Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest and little else. Ubisoft has Assassin's Creed and Far Cry and little else. On and on. They spent the last decade not making small bets on new IPs to replace these IPs once their time in the spotlight wanes. It's the very thing that Phil Spencer was talking about in that leaked e-mail about what he sees as a strength of Game Pass and a weakness of how AAAs chose to respond to the changing market.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're forgetting The Sims, a veritable cash cow for EA, where every tiny add-on costs $15+.

But otherwise, I agree.

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They're pivoting to free to play, so that series may have waned as well. I'm sure it's still profitable, but you don't switch to free to play, especially for what is ostensibly a single player game that doesn't rely on player counts, if everything is going well.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oof. If that's true, I feel bad for all the folks who have invested so much time into the series.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think you need to. The series is turning to something else entirely, with a completely different focus. I already think any previous episode is more fun than 4.

The folks who loved the old games probably won't think 5 is a free replacement for these. They'll just think, it's okay, I'm going to spend a dozen hours trying to make the old one kinda run.

[–] Pseu@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Free to play with microtransactions is just the way to go for games that can be monetized in that manner. The lower barrier to entry means far more downloads and the piecemeal monetization means that players will frequently end up paying more than $60 alongside the larger player base.

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Compared to the business they used to with the Sims, free to play makes it much, much harder to break even. You're hoping to monetize more off of a smaller percentage of your players. 95% of people will never pay in a free to play game, and the Sims games would sell over 10 million units each, handily, plus expansions. But I know that plenty of people would pirate the expansions, so EA probably sees that as a threat that they need to lock behind an internet connection in a server-based game, and they'll likely destroy the series' profitability in the process.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Square has final fantasy, dragon quest, kingdom hearts, octopath traveler, forspoken, and a myriad of smaller games you aren’t familiar with including lots of mobile game sales. They’ve got like 15 2023 releases on their Wikipedia. They’re doing fine and don’t belong on this list lol

[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They've got 10 games for 2023, and about half of them are either Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy (Kingdom Hearts, btw, is basically still Final Fantasy as it relates to IP). If you're making small bets to find the next big thing to replace your big franchises, you need to make a lot more of those small bets, like publishers used to do 20 years ago and like mid-sized publishers are doing now. Rumor has it they divested themselves of former Eidos studios to make themselves a more attractive purchase for Sony, which fell through but resulted in exclusivity deals like Zenimax did.

[–] parpol@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't final fantasy perform poorly, and forspoken was so bad, they closed down the entire branch working on it?

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

FF16 sold over 3mill week 1 so I imagine it’s doing fine. We’ll see next sales update.

Forspoken hasn’t done very well but the point is they’re publishing a ton still.