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I love how many people brought up the Turkish "I" as if everyone here is on the Unicode steering committee or just got jobs for Turkish facebook.
I, an English speaker, have personally solved the problem by not having a Turkish I in the name of my Downloads directory, or any other directory that I need to cd into on my computer. I'm going to imagine the Turks solve it by painstakingly typing the correct I, or limiting their use of uppercase I's in general.
In fact, researching the actual issue for more than 1 second seemingly shows that Unicode basically created this problem themselves because the two I's are just seperate letters in Turkic languages. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dotted_and_dotless_I_in_computing
If you nerds think this is bad try doing Powershell for any amount of time. It is entirely case-insensitive.
Why the FUCK did they make characters that look the same have different codepointers in UNICODE? They should've done what they did in CJK and make duplicates have the same codepointer.
Unicode needs a redo.
Well letters don't really have a single canonical shape. There are many acceptable ways of rendering each. While two letters might usually look the same, it is very possible that some shape could be acceptable for one but not the other. So, it makes sense to distinguish between them in binary representation. That allows the interpreting software to determine if it cares about the difference or not.
Also, the Unicode code tables do mention which characters look (nearly) identical, so it's definitely possible to make a program interpret something like a Greek question mark the same as a semicolon. I guess it's just that no one has bothered, since it's such a rare edge case.
Why are the Latin "a" and the Cryilic "a" THE FUCKING SAME?
In cases where something looks stupid but your knowledge on it is almost zero it's entirely possible that it's not.
The people that maintain Unicode have put a lot of thought and effort into this. Might be helpful to research why rather than assuming you have a better way despite little knowledge of the subject.
When it's A FUCKING SECURITY issue, I know damn well what I'm talking about.
Again you do not because the world consists of more than your interests and job description.
I know damn well what I'm talking about when someone could get scammed on "apple.com" but with a Cyrillic A.
You know the problem but not the set of reasonable or practical solutions.
Anyways I and l look identical too in many fonts. Should we make them the same letter?
No, but that's what Unicode does.
The solution is to force font creators to be fucking reasonable, just like how the Cyrillic A looks exactly like the Latin A. They are the same letter. The letters L and I are totally different (in handwriting at least)
They already did that for CJK. Make characters that look the same in handwriting b have be same codepointer.
I and l also look identical in many fonts. So you already have this problem in ascii. (To say nothing of all the non-printing characters!)
If your security relies on a person being able to tell the difference between two characters controlled by an attacker your security is bad.
The problem is when you can register "apple.com" with the Cryillic A, fooling many.
The I l issue is caused by fonts, not by ASCII.
You really can't though. For several reasons. Which would have been apparent to you had you bothered to actually create your example link to http://аpple.com or to understand this problem.