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California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a new law on Wednesday that aims to stop other states from prosecuting doctors and pharmacists who mail abortion pills to patients in places where the procedure is banned. California already has a law protecting doctors who provide abortions from out-of-state judgments.

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[–] tomatobeard@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Thanks for the preface, but the ending is exaggerated. Abortion does not equal murder. It causes no harm to society or others, unlike murder or guns. It would be more accurate to say it's like gay marriage. If you don't agree, don't get gay married.

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's his whole point though. To a lot of Christians, abortion literally is comparable to murder. It doesn't make sense, but that's just how they see it. That's why the arguments up thread don't work on them.

[–] Synnr@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 months ago

Yes, thank you.

Growing up without the Catholic dogma and worldview thrust upon you from birth (and consequently playing a part of every action you ever make, and many thoughts you think) it's almost as if trying to use the argument that abortion does NOT equal murder is like arguing with an alien. Because from a worldview point of view, they absolutely do believe abortion = murder with every fiber of their being. It's not enough to just say "no it's not" or make really any argument that leads to that debate. It even affects the views of many ex-catholics who have religious trauma and have been through extensive therapy for it.

No, to you and I, abortion is not murder. But trying to argue that is equal to them arguing to people like us (I assume) that gay people are not just, existing and normal, and not making a conscious decision to be gay. They think it's due to trauma and all gay people are mentally ill and can be cured. However there's no curing necessary. But they'll argue until they're blue in the face that it is. It's the same level of worldview solidification.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

They were trying to explain the religious view. For those groups abortion is murder of an unborn child. It doesn't matter that there's no harm to the society - they see it as a harm to the child. Comparing it to murder was spot on, because that's exactly how those people see it.

[–] Synnr@sopuli.xyz 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You say it causes no harm to society but they'll argue it causes immense harm to God's plan, or whatever. They can also point to the plummeting birth rates which are now almost below the level to maintain the American system.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Birth rates are a much smaller problem for the future of the American economy than wealth inequality.

[–] Synnr@sopuli.xyz 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think you're zeroing in on an example when it was meant to be an overarching example.

But to continue with your argument: if the workers aren't being born, the class war will get seriously real, and that's the last thing those at the top of the wealth inequality pyramid want.