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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The endless purity tests of what a true leftist is one of the main reasons they make no real change in the world.

The constant fighting over doctrinal purity consumes so much time, energy and mind space there is nothing left for actual change.

[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Laughable you’d level this as a criticism of the left considering MAGA republicans are waging all out war for control of the conservative party in America against more traditional republicans.

[–] V17@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is it laughable? It seems pretty obvious that one of the main reasons why conservatives are still successful in the US is that they're able to unite much more than the left. I'm too lazy to go find sources, but there are multiple sociological studies that confirmed this - despite craziness like Trump and before that Tea party and other shit, the left has been considerably more fragmented the whole time.

[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If it were true that leftists could never organise to decide a course of action how do you explain the rampant success of workers unions?

I don’t doubt that conservatives are more likely to just ‘follow the leader’ (I’ve read similar as well) but to say the left is ineffectual because of internal divisions is laughable given the very public and concerning division in the Republican Party right now.

[–] ToxicWaste@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Neither of the two parties in the United States of America are actually left. Republicans are far right, Democrats are liberal and in the middle of the left/right spectrum.

[–] V17@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The right might begin to become divided soon, but so far it definitely has not. Regarding worker unions (and the research I mentioned), I'm talking about the modern day, last 20-30 years or so, even though there's been a lot of fragmentation historically as well. There are no real leftist parties in my country with any success either because of the same thing, endless fragmentation, purity tests and ignoring the fact that actual workers are not socially progressive.