The true marxist based left is not woke. It never was. There's a reason that the western left turned liberal in the 50s and 60s and focused on reform. The CCP killed any thought that decentralized communes could be self-sufficient and centralization killed any concept of liberalism and a responsive command economy. If the majority can vote their way into resources, minorities suffer. With no opposition checking the ruling party, corruption sets in.

If you are referring to the American Democratic party, they are liberal and not left.

[–] horsey@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is correct. They draw a distinction between economic left and social left. Mainly, US liberals are vaguely socialist and definitely not communist, but mainly, they embrace ID politics. People who call themselves leftists may hold the same opinions about equality, but consider the economic system and classes much more important.

[–] Querk@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Most statements I don't have qualms with, but from my understanding, "liberals embrace ID politics" seems way off. I could see an argument that there's some kind of split across people who'd identify as or match a typical understanding of a liberal, along the ID politics line, given that it's so divisive. Id say liberal as a concept existed way before ID politics, do when that became prominent, a lot of people got split along that line. I.e. Far right probably split 90:10, Conservatives probably split 75:25, Liberals probably split closer to 50:50, while social left split 25:75, far left split 10:90 and libertarians split 1:99.

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

There is a tradition of leftist critics of Marxism. I don't agree with each 100% but you can draw a line from Bakunin to Kropotkin to Goldman to Weil to Orwell, ... each in opposition of Marx or Lenin or Stalin