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[–] InevitableWaffles@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd skip the programming. The tales coming out of Silicon Valley on Blind have convinced me the gold rush is basically over. If you have something you like doing that exists as a trade; Things like woodworking, electrical, plumbing, I'd look into that. The rules around them as a profeasional might change but the fundamentals are great for anywhere you go. Programmers are useful but we are about to fall off a tradesperson cliff. You'd be able to command 100 an hour at least if you are competent and polite.

[–] nickajeglin@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd be wary of the trades as well. I am now an engineer, previously a welder. Unless you operate your own business, a trade is super unlikely to match the standard of living that a couple JDs would be used to. Also, most EU countries have very regimented training and qualification systems for tradespeople that start when you're pretty young.

In the US, there is a labor shortage of skilled tradespeople and manufacturing workers, so there is a huge push to get more people into it. The nasty secret though, is that there is a labor shortage because pay has not been rising and benefits are a joke.

Corporations push high school kids and laid off tech workers towards the trades with promises of good prospects, high wages, and solid benefits. The reality though, is that most of them will end up trapped in mind numbing dead end jobs where their labor and emotional/physical health will be exploited until they aren't useful to the company any more.

Manufacturers in particular are extremely reluctant to give their floor workers a bigger piece of the pie. So expanding the labor pool is an important long term strategy to ensure that wages stay low and that they can continue exploiting their workers as efficiently as possible.

Not trying to be a bummer, but I've lived both sides of this. The Association of Equipment Manufacturers, chambers of commerce, etc have a very strong and widely accepted narrative when it comes to the manufacturing labor shortage, so I think it's extremely important to spread a counter narrative when I can.

On the positive side, there are some really simple things that can be done to help alleviate the labor shortage: increase pay and benefits. We finally started to see a tiny bit of that during covid, and I'm hopeful that the trend will continue. It's frustrating though that it takes a near collapse of industry before manufacturers will even consider raising compensation.

Solid take. Thanks for giving that perspective. I was operating on some of that propaganda and hadn't heard that side of it.