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its literally just carbonated piss and you cant even get drunk off it. and i say this as a german, who's been trying both 'good' and bad beer since 16 years old.

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[–] Jho@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Regarding the argument of toxic masculinity, I'm going to try and provide some clarifications as I do not believe the debate happening in this thread is in good-faith and I believe there are some misunderstandings of toxic masculinity is.

My experience growing up, and I have heard from others that this is their experience too, is AMAB folks were encouraged to drink bitter drinks like beer as that is often designated as a "manly drink" whilst being discouraged from drinking sweeter drinks like ciders, cocktails, and wine because those are "girly drinks" and therefore a threat to one's "masculinity".

My experience growing up AFAB is that I was not encouraged to drink beer as much as the AMAB people within my family, though I was certainly never forcefully stopped from drinking beer. My brothers and cousins were actively discouraged and made fun of for drinking "girly drinks" though.

I think certainly there is a non-zero number of AMAB people who felt forced to learn to like beer despite not liking the taste initially, possibly learning to get used to the taste later.

I'm surprised to see people shoo-shooing away the toxic masculinity argument so quickly. Nobody should be judged for the alcohol they consume nor should people be forced to like one particular flavour. Toxic masculinity is an issue which negatively affects us all regardless of our gender.

How prevalent this issue is I do not know. I would be interested in hearing other people's experiences growing up and their earliest exposures to alcohol to understand the issue better.