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[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course they declared independence.

So you should be able to show me this alleged declaration of independence, right?

Because of this war, they’ve lost their legitimacy and can no longer credibly lead the world.

According to whom, you?

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For both dates:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_the_Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic

The Declaration was adopted by the First Congress of People's Deputies of the Russian SFSR on 12 June 1990. It proclaimed the sovereignty of the Russian SFSR and the intention to establish a democratic constitutional state within a liberalized Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belovezha_Accords

The main obligations of the parties to the Agreement, ratified by all former Soviet republics except Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, includes the following:

  1. The end of the existence of the USSR, with the "setting up of lawfully constituted democratic… independent states… on the basis of mutual recognition of and respect for State sovereignty".

Clear enough for you? The CIS is the successor to the USSR, not Russia.

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It proclaimed the sovereignty of the Russian SFSR and the intention to establish a democratic constitutional state within a liberalized Soviet Union.

within a liberalized Soviet Union

So they didn't declare "independence" from the USSR like the other republics, thanks for making my point for me.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Correct, not until the second document they signed in 1991 and agreed that the Soviet Union was dissolved and the CIS was its successor. Not Russia.

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

CIS was its successor

Where is this written? Can you give me a direct quote instead of pretending that your interpretation of the documents (which goes against the interpretation by all CIS parties and the United Nations at the time) is correct?