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I never click on them and I don’t consume any other content related to those countries but every so often I’ll see an anti (those countries) headline in my feed and then the next few days will have pro occupied China stories

It feels like targeted propaganda since I never see good stories about the other countries and it makes me wonder why YouTube hasn’t been broken up if they are too big to monitor that

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[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't SoftBank/Yahoo hold almost a majority of Alibaba stock... And that Alibaba explicitly didn't list in Hong Kong and chose to list in the US instead?

SCMP has published some fairly critical articles recently:

"China's hi-tech ambitions under threat from inadequate scientific literacy"

"'Somebody has to eat the cost': China's monumental local debt challenge mounts"

"China banning clothes that hurt national feelings would be a sitch too far"

And articles that deviate from standard Chinese policy:

"Marriage equality is clearly the best choice for Hong Kong"

"More LGBTQ rights could help Asia financial hubs draw global talent"

As well as commentary on the Hong Kong report about radiation from Japan-imported fish.

Nevermind that Jack Ma is perhaps most notorious for being intensely critical of Chinese regulators. Indeed, Alibaba IPOed in the US instead of Hong Kong solely so Jack Ma could maintain more control over the governance structure of the company.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since the change of ownership in 2016, concerns have been raised about the paper's editorial independence and self-censorship. Critics including The New York Times, Der Spiegel, and The Atlantic have alleged that the paper is on a mission to promote China's soft power abroad.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post

You can follow the sources there to their articles

But now you know :)

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, citing Wikipedia... who's sources explicitly state that Beijing never contacts them and that Jack Ma'a policy has been to be skeptical of the government's role. Classic.

It's only Beijing that we never hear from, he says. He adds that he wishes that were different.

...

Describing the ideal relationship between companies and the government, Jack Ma has said something along the lines of: "Go ahead and flirt with it, but don't marry it."

...

The paper still reports extremely critically on issues that the Chinese state media avoids.

...

Executive Vice President Joseph Tsai, for example, has complained that the Western media reports on China in a biased and one-sided way because they disagree with communism. He has said that the South China Morning Post should report on things "as they are."

Turns out, when you shift your focus from being a purely Hong Kong-oriented paper to an international one, your editorial scope changes.

When in Hong Kong writing about mainland China, you can afford to be more critical because your readership has a pretty fair view of mainland China (given that, y'know, they're literally right beside it}. When writing for the international audience, there are far more things that need to be cleared up.

As I showed above, SCMP is clearly deviating pretty far from Beijing's policy (in large part because Alibaba and Jack Ma have always maintained a somewhat skeptical stance relative to the government) and often comes out openly against Beijing's positions. All you've shown me is people saying "oh no but Alibaba is Chinese and China is bad and thus SCMP is bad." Just the tiniest but racist, don't you think?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I gave you my own experience, you didn’t believe it

I used Wikipedia as a link aggregator for you to see more reputable interpretations

https://www.youtube.com/@SouthChinaMorningPost/videos

Find the anti-CCP video

I found anti Korea and anti Japan instantly

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I can find an anti-China video:

https://youtu.be/eI6a4xRwLQQ?si=1c5yJlUutFDpy7jr

https://youtu.be/0AOUKMZOImM?si=9YTZcJA1O30rp-5y

https://youtu.be/DHl89m6dkYY?si=_VAqL2waYsdffyvg

https://youtu.be/9xhwKeqG_p8?si=JgGYnZH8SB9aiCpc

Meanwhile your source is... Fucking Wikipedia lmfao. The article isn't even cited properly given that it mentions 3 sources and only links to two. There's a reason Wikipedia isn't considered a reliable source.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My source was myself, I gave you Wikipedia to let you click through to more than one source of other opinions

Stop being an idiot

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm an idiot because I gave you videos contrary to your point? How is it my fault that Google thinks you're on an anti-Japan/anti-Korean binge?

Not everything is a conspiracy against you. Google thought that those recommendations would get you to think about YouTube more (and eventually watch more content). Judging by your behaviour, I'm guessing it was right.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re an idiot for getting hung up on seeing a Wikipedia link

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, because you refuse to see evidence contradicting your point (i.e. first party source) and choose to hide behind second- and third-party "sources."

Classic.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was faster for me to post 1 link that already had 2 links on it than it was for me to post those 2 links and I over estimated your intelligence in being able to click through

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those links still aren't first-party sources, though? Either way, I quoted from that article and I did provide first-party evidence, neither of which you have addressed. There is nothing to indicate that, as you claim, SCMP only posts pro-China and anti-Korea/anti-Japan content.

Do you enjoy being confidently wrong, or do you just enjoy being confident and are wrong by circumstance?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Increasing tourism isn’t anti-ccp

Phone harassment maybe but it’s a stretch to think someone seeing that is going to think it is state sponsored

Falling housing market is just normal news

Unemployment is just normal news

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Did you actually watch the videos, or do you just look at the title and make your conclusion? Here's some more:

https://youtu.be/zt7afB22S1U?si=JcN7vZrswgtLS69G

https://youtu.be/Ug2Eeflo5ao?si=5J9HwdLwOJuRctQS

https://youtu.be/CTU0FNo5HE8?si=0q1vp_t3SEzd4OUQ

And here's some more pro-Japan/Korea content:

https://youtu.be/T30C3-K-PmA?si=KgioEIEVDli5SCqi

https://youtu.be/VucIYdBvsCM?si=l8xbHPOWBblQi0CP

What exactly is this viscerally anti-Japan/Korea government content you speak of?