470
John Fetterman says he'll 'never understand' progressives who refuse to support Joe Biden
(www.businessinsider.com)
this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2023
470 points (93.0% liked)
politics
19143 readers
2504 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I'll vote for whatever candidate aligns with my views, I'm not playing the numbers game, that's not for me to play. I can and will vote for whoever I want and no one is going to convince me that I'm "throwing my vote away" by voting third party.
You know you are being closed minded and irrational when you say "no one is going to convince me of ____".
Way to keep yourself from growing as a person and learning new things!
I'm keeping myself from growing as a person because I don't want to be told I'm throwing my vote away if I don't vote D? Yeah, nah I'm not buying that one.
You are keeping yourself from growing as a person because you would rather block your ears than consider another person's perspective.
If you care about making good decisions, you should want to hear other perspectives and make (or revise) your decisions with as much information as possible. Instead, you've made up your mind with a bit of information, and refuse to hear more. Science, for example, adjust it's views based on what is observed. You are refusing to observe so that your current believe can be preserved.
It's not even about wanting to "vote D", I don't really care about that. It's about the intellectual dishonesty and laziness of being unwilling to ever change your mind about something to the extent that you push away anything that might make you stop being so lazy and dishonest.
So are you going to try to argue the initial point then or are you just going to go on and on to show how clever you are?
I can and will vote for the candidate who most closely aligns with my views, regardless of party.
I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to be so open minded about changing. I've thought about it a lot and I feel strongly about it. I used to think the other way but I've realized I've felt this way for awhile now. The problem is my verbage and honestly man, when I say "you can't convince me" in the comments I'm really probably just looking for someone to debate when it comes down to it..
"you can't convince me" doesn't sound like an invitation to debate. It sounds like a warning that debating that topic with you would be a waste of time because you won't listen anyway.
I can provide my justification for believing that voting for a 3rd party is a waste of a vote. Are you actually willing to be convinced if a sufficient argument is presented? I.e. are you retracting your "you can't convince me" statement? If not, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince the unconvinceable.
Bro, are you ever going to make your point? Or are you just going to keep talking about how I made mine?
No, I don't think I will. I asked you a direct question, if you will retract your statement of "no one can convince me" and you ignored the question. You can't even acknowledge the one thing that I've been calling you out on after I've repeatedly demonstrated the problem to you.
I don't think you will engage honestly so I have no interest in continuing a conversation.
I absolutely did acknowledge it. I said the problem was my verbage, which it is. We're going back and forth over what boils down to semantics. As far as I see it, you actually can't convince me anyways because you clearly don't have a very sound argument or else you would have made it by now.
How about instead of trying to scare or guilt people into voting for middle of the road, we allow rank choice and let people vote for who they want.
"It's better than nothing" might as well be the Dems mission statement at this point.
Agreed. It's why the DNC doesn't support any progressive candidates, they have no interest in progressive politics.
"allow rank choice" voters have to fight for it. Strategic voting on local and state level has gotten it in a small handful of places. But we don't have it federally, yet.